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#3387585 - 09/11/11 12:49 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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During the current MAKS-2011 air-show, there were an important development about the future of Russian SAM systems... The Almaz design bureau, responsible for the current [S-300PT/PS/PMU (SA-10), S-300PM/PMU1/PMU2 (SA-20), S-400 (SA-21)] systems, took over the Antey design bureau, responsible for the [S-300V (SA-12), S-300VM (SA-23)]. The name of the new design bureau is Almaz-Antey. The Almaz OKB, historically responsible for the S-25/S-75/S-125/S-200/S-300P/S-400 (SA-1/2/3/5/10/20/21) designs, managed the end of the Cold War in better (financial) shape. The export successes (China, Cyprus, Vietnam, Algeria) of the S-300PMU1/PMU2 (SA-20) design, and the ongoing S-400 (SA-21) fielding in Russia created a solid financial background. Meanwhile the Antej S-300V/VM (SA-12/23) systems lack of export, and the shrinking Russian army's lack of cash, leaded the bureau towards bankruptcy. So the NEXT BIG THING the S-500 (S-400M) Triumph-M system will merge the four-hundred system capabilities (250km range against aerial targets), with the Antej pearls, its ABM capabilities (40km range against MRBMs [2500km medium range ballistic missiles]). S-400 Triumph (SA-21) launcher  9M82 ABM missile of the Antej's S-300VM (SA-23) system  S-500 (S-400M) Triumph-M launcher with the Antey's ABM missile.   thank's for this simple and deep summarize, only Hpasp have this magic secret to do that, ... so simply, really ...  can you expand info for S-300V series ? Algerian team was sent to MAKS2011, and have take .. .. Pics, found HER
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#3388928 - 09/13/11 07:13 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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3, Yes, as it does not change the intended flightpath of the missile.
It just change the point where the radio proxy fuse arm.
You are encouraged to update the I87V altitude data, as frequently as you got it from the plotting chart. OK, but is that have an efect after the missile is launched???? Maybe not, because as you previosly wrote, the fuse setting can be changed only before launching the missile. Please confirm... Getting into very deep of the radio proxy fuse workings...  Before launch, the instruction is transmitted to the missile via the launcher, what to do if it receives the K3 command, transmitted during flight from the SNR. It has 3 options. - immediately detonate on receive K3, do not switch on the radio proximity fuse, at all (RAB.PO.K3) - switch on the radio proximity fuse, after receiving K3. Detonate if the fuse senses a plane (RV) - switch on the radio proximity fuse immediately after launch, do not expect to receive K3. Detonate if the fuse senses a plane (RAB.OT.VM)  So when you change the target altitude during I87V/TT guidance, you only change the distance from the SNR, where it emits the K3 towards the missile. So it has effect when the missile is flying. 
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#3389170 - 09/13/11 04:30 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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exactly what I'm looking for .  . thank's dear Hpasp!
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#3390042 - 09/14/11 07:40 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Hello!
Not sure if this is mentioned but i found a fix to run this sim on widescreen displays (1060x1024,1680x1050 and higher) without misaligned buttons.
Right click on sam.exe > properties > on general tab name add; -window
Thanks.
edit. fix is not required for latest version.
Last edited by montieris; 09/15/11 02:44 PM. Reason: update.
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#3390596 - 09/15/11 02:42 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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montieris
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Oh, i was using older version and thought that new versions still have fixed resolution.
Sorry, my bad.
Last edited by montieris; 09/15/11 07:00 PM. Reason: grammar
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#3390744 - 09/15/11 06:04 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Not sure if this is mentioned but i found a fix to run this sim on widescreen displays (1060x1024,1680x1050 and higher) without misaligned buttons.
Could you please explain this "misaligned button" issue?
The current version is developed on a widescreen... (1920x1080) A) sim, to me, still doesn't recognize my resolutions. B) When I run it (past error screen), all selectable buttons shifted to the right.
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#3391291 - 09/16/11 12:48 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Please, check 24 page of the manual. It says that receiving antenas for "Podsvetka" (and for "Wide beam")for the missile and the target are P-12V and P-11V... When we are trackin' jamming target, we use only receiving antenas {and P-16, of course), right? So, I still don't understand...
Hmmm... ... than the manual is wrong. Wide Beam
Target - P11V,P12V
Missiles - P11V,P12VNarrow BeamTarget - P13V,P14V Missiles - P11V,P12V PodsvetTarget - P13V,P14V for emit, and P11V,P12V for receive
Missiles - P11V,P12V I think you wrote the same... Or I've just missed the point...  Hi, still have not clear view about it... Are receiving antenas for wide beam and LORO for the target chanell the same? The manual said one thing, Hpasp - other, but wrote it like in the manual...
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#3391315 - 09/16/11 01:44 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Please, check 24 page of the manual. It says that receiving antenas for "Podsvetka" (and for "Wide beam")for the missile and the target are P-12V and P-11V... When we are trackin' jamming target, we use only receiving antenas {and P-16, of course), right? So, I still don't understand...
Hmmm... ... than the manual is wrong. Wide Beam
Target - P11V,P12V
Missiles - P11V,P12VNarrow BeamTarget - P13V,P14V Missiles - P11V,P12V PodsvetTarget - P13V,P14V for emit, and P11V,P12V for receive
Missiles - P11V,P12V I think you wrote the same... Or I've just missed the point... Hi, still have not clear view about it... Are receiving antenas for wide beam and LORO for the target chanell the same? The manual said one thing, Hpasp - other, but wrote it like in the manual... YES! That is the main reason for the introduction of the LORO (Podsvet) mode. The Wide Beam (SIROKIY LUCH) mode is the same, as in the Dvina.It uses the two wide beam antennas (P11V, P12V) to send and receive both target and missile channels. It guides the missiles to the bore sight of the wide beam antenna system (same point where the target is). The Narrow Beam (UZKIY LUCH) mode is using the two parabolic antenna (P13V, P14V) for emitting the 1MW microwave energy towards the target, and receiving it.As those antennas are much more focused, with the same emitter output, you achieve 3x times microwave power density. This results a bigger detection range. (Originally developed against the U2/SR71 "dirty bird" coating) The big problem is that the beam emitted by the P13V/P14V antennas are too narrow for the missile tracking. The missiles would simply slip out, and would be lost. So the missile beacons are tracked by the wide beam (P11V/P12V) antennas. BIG-BIG problem is the alignment of the bore sights of these two independent antenna systems. The target is followed by the one (P13V/P14V) system, and the missiles are tracked by another one (P11V/P12V). If these two independent antenna systems bore sights is misaligned by a fraction of a degree, the missiles would simply miss the target. So another mode was developed... The LORO (PODSVET) mode is the mix of the two mode discussed above.It uses the narrow beam (P13V/P14V) antennas only to illuminate the target (send out focused microwave energy). The reflected signal from the target, and the missile beacons are received by the wide beam (P11V/P12V) antennas. Thus the guidance circuit is guiding on the wide beam antenna bore sight, and the target/missiles are met at the same place. PS: Sorry, we are very deep now into the system, and I might be confusing... PS2: Just a joke, to lighten this topic...  ... the PODSVET light is red, to remind you, that you should not illuminate own fighters with this mode (2x1MW focused microwave energy)... ... otherwise the pilot would looses his masculinity (function of his balls). 
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#3391408 - 09/16/11 04:29 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Heh, I think people would love you even if you used "hand made" pictures of SA-10 panels instead of photos.1, If you seen a hand drawn picture, than you would loose the Russian feeling of the system. (screws, scratches, and lots of metal) When I play with the sim, I can nearly smell the typical Russian smell of the systems... ... they used a special type of grease everywhere.  2, You would loose the fun of learning the deeper technicalities of these systems, by asking non documented switches. 3, There would be more users with the complaints... ... "I read at Wiki that this system has actually double range". I had a complaint from a player, that the P14 Tall King has (1200km) range, than it is stated in the SA-5 sim (600km).
Instead of trying to explain the Earth curvature effect on target acquisition range, I could simply point to him this switch... 
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#3391416 - 09/16/11 04:36 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Dear Hpasp, If (as you perfectly explained) the receiving antenas for "Wide beam" and "Podsvet" are the same, why when we are tracking jamming target (without any transmition from SNR), and changing the mode from "wide beam" to "podsvet", it narrows the sector on the azimuth and elevation screens...??? Is it real and what was the purpose... Those modes are for te emmited signal, it shouldn't reflects receiving (especially wen the receiving antenas for both modes are the same...) Hope you understand my point... Nice joke with red light 
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