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#3382410 - 09/05/11 01:54 AM
Re: Stock campaign missions you've found the most difficult?
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The one where I have to either bomb the nuke containment facilities and the convoy moving them. Gets me everytime. D:
EDIT: Also, Paveways? Did you run out of harpoons or something?
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#3382419 - 09/05/11 02:13 AM
Re: Stock campaign missions you've found the most difficult?
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The one where I have to either bomb the nuke containment facilities and the convoy moving them. Gets me everytime. D:
EDIT: Also, Paveways? Did you run out of harpoons or something? The briefing recommended either the GBU-24s or the Walleyes. Also in my experience the naval SA-11s do a pretty good job of shooting down Harpoons, even if you set them to low-altitude skimming flight.
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#3382760 - 09/05/11 03:26 PM
Re: Stock campaign missions you've found the most difficult?
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The one where I have to either bomb the nuke containment facilities and the convoy moving them. Gets me everytime. D:
EDIT: Also, Paveways? Did you run out of harpoons or something? The briefing recommended either the GBU-24s or the Walleyes. Also in my experience the naval SA-11s do a pretty good job of shooting down Harpoons, even if you set them to low-altitude skimming flight. The briefing also recommended 3x 480 tanks for TARPS escort missions. After that nightmare, I learned to stop taking the briefings recommendations. 
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#3383791 - 09/06/11 05:29 PM
Re: Stock campaign missions you've found the most difficult?
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The briefing recommended either the GBU-24s or the Walleyes. Also in my experience the naval SA-11s do a pretty good job of shooting down Harpoons, even if you set them to low-altitude skimming flight.
I thought that issue was fixed in TSH 4.02. Originally, there was an error in the RCS setting for the Harpoon. It basically had the radar signature of an F/A-18 and was very prone to getting shot down by SAMs. A workaround was to use a SLAM against Naval Targets since the RCS was correctly set as much smaller, and had greater probability (though not 100%) of penetrating the anti-missile defenses. My tactic (often resulting in untimely ejection, I have to say ) was to fire the Harpoon/SLAM at max range, then burner in at low level so I pretty much overtook the missile and had an envelope to launch HARM. Since the HARM travels faster than the Harpoon/SLAM and was fired somewhat ahead of it, there was a good chance to take out the radars directing counter-fire at the shipkillers before they could engage them. Holding wingies out of range and ordering them to fire only after HARMS could do their job also allowed their Harpoons to get through. I don't know that I actually succeeded in the campaign mission with this tactic, but it worked against smaller naval groups in custom scenarios. Even better in Multiplayer where you could have a section of devoted HARM shooters with the AGM-84's carriers hanging back.
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#3383807 - 09/06/11 05:50 PM
Re: Stock campaign missions you've found the most difficult?
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The briefing recommended either the GBU-24s or the Walleyes. Also in my experience the naval SA-11s do a pretty good job of shooting down Harpoons, even if you set them to low-altitude skimming flight.
I thought that issue was fixed in TSH 4.02. Originally, there was an error in the RCS setting for the Harpoon. It basically had the radar signature of an F/A-18 and was very prone to getting shot down by SAMs. A workaround was to use a SLAM against Naval Targets since the RCS was correctly set as much smaller, and had greater probability (though not 100%) of penetrating the anti-missile defenses. My tactic (often resulting in untimely ejection, I have to say ) was to fire the Harpoon/SLAM at max range, then burner in at low level so I pretty much overtook the missile and had an envelope to launch HARM. Since the HARM travels faster than the Harpoon/SLAM and was fired somewhat ahead of it, there was a good chance to take out the radars directing counter-fire at the shipkillers before they could engage them. Holding wingies out of range and ordering them to fire only after HARMS could do their job also allowed their Harpoons to get through. I don't know that I actually succeeded in the campaign mission with this tactic, but it worked against smaller naval groups in custom scenarios. Even better in Multiplayer where you could have a section of devoted HARM shooters with the AGM-84's carriers hanging back. I can't remember if it was 4.02 that fixed that or if it was TSHs weapon mod that saw limited release...
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#3384859 - 09/07/11 07:30 PM
Re: Stock campaign missions you've found the most difficult?
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The actual problem, though, is the RCS (radar cross section) value for the Harpoon. It ostensibly should be the same as it is for the SLAM missile (same missile body, different warhead and different terrain-following capability). However, the RCS value for the Harpoon is the same as the Super Hornet! That means the missile has just as much chance of getting shot down as does an F-18E when in-close to enemy carriers (or less chance, since it doesn't have an afterburner and is less maneuverable). As we all know from getting shot down by the Soviet fleet defenses, it's a tough situation to survive. The Harpoon should be a lot more survivable because it is a much smaller object than an attack aircraft.
If there is ever another TSH release, the Harpoon RCS will be fixed. It is tough for me to find time these days to work on modding.
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#3385104 - 09/08/11 12:01 AM
Re: Stock campaign missions you've found the most difficult?
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Hey Joe, any chance TSH might just release the weaponeering mod that's already complete, rather than waiting for the next TSH version? I went back through my files and it looks like the RCS problem mentioned above is fixed in that mod...
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#3390935 - 09/15/11 10:22 PM
Re: Stock campaign missions you've found the most difficult?
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The escort missions have to be some of the most ridiculous missions in the game. The mission that I have been stuck on for a while is in Phase III escorting the flight of F-18Cs to destroy the HF signals facility (2931444). It seems that either the SA-10 or the Russian MiG-29s lay the F-18Cs to waste.
Second up is the mission where you have to destroy the nuclear bunkers. Way back when, I used to be able to use a SLAM-ER+ or two to take out those bunkers. Now, they are invincible! I think I read on here that the bunkers are "floating" off the ground and thus can't be destroyed?
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#3391266 - 09/16/11 12:19 PM
Re: Stock campaign missions you've found the most difficult?
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I kind of refuse to use the KM61 nuke mode.  FOUR JDAM-31s??? Man, I tried just about every type of ordinance on those bunkers but not FOUR of them!  Maybe that could have gotten me away from this insipid F-18C escort mission!
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#3391375 - 09/16/11 03:29 PM
Re: Stock campaign missions you've found the most difficult?
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I agree. I equate most of the mission's original difficultly in that I was 13 years old when I played the mission in 2000; I was surprised how easy it was to fly up to the bunkers yet dismayed when nothing appeared to dent the bunkers! 4 JDAM-31s on 1 bunker is kind of expensive though.
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