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#3354392 - 07/29/11 12:47 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Err... In the Tallinn scenario, long after the SR-71 has crashed, it still can be seen on the Tall King radar screen.
A bug?

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#3354489 - 07/29/11 03:08 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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Originally Posted By: MK_PL
Err... In the Tallinn scenario, long after the SR-71 has crashed, it still can be seen on the Tall King radar screen.
A bug?


no I just think that no body said to him that the SR-71 is crashed(by you) .... hahahahahahahahahahahaha
as a P-18 who no body said to him that this target is an stealth target ......... yepyepyepyep

this reply is just for LOL biggrin


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#3354625 - 07/29/11 06:38 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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First off it's not an early warning radar. You're actually turning on your targeting radar. When you power the system up and put it into Running Mode, you're activating the Tall King radar. The three position covered switch is for the targeting radar.

2. I set it for mach 3 as that's roughly how fast the SR-71 is flying.
3. You can't really detect the SR-71 with your targeting radar until it's ~180-220 km and acquiring it ~180 gives you plenty of time for the Nonius, while also reducing the amount of time you're on air. Not to mention you can't engage the SR-71 until it's ~150 km anyways.
4. I'm almost positive the S-200 uses a cooling system for it's missiles. Anyways, if you spin up the missiles when the SR-71 is ~200 km you'll probably be launching them within 2 minutes.
5. The reason I only use 1 missile for this engagement is simple; no US aircraft has ever been fired on by an S-200 before. Therefore, the SR-71 will never even know it's been engaged and thus won't be maneuvering/evading. Of course in real life I'm sure the CO would've ordered 3 missiles fired.

#3354677 - 07/29/11 07:32 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Ok acknowledged.

#3355110 - 07/30/11 07:39 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: NaiseFail]  
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2. I set it for mach 3 as that's roughly how fast the SR-71 is flying.

It flies Mach 3, but you are setting radial speed, so it should be bit lower.

5. The reason I only use 1 missile for this engagement is simple; no US aircraft has ever been fired on by an S-200 before. Therefore, the SR-71 will never even know it's been engaged and thus won't be maneuvering/evading. Of course in real life I'm sure the CO would've ordered 3 missiles fired.

SR71 was a high prized target, so I bet than in a case of receiving firing order, a battery would launch all missiles possible.
(more than 6)

5. The reason I only use 1 missile for this engagement is simple; no US aircraft has ever been fired on by an S-200 before. Therefore, the SR-71 will never even know it's been engaged and thus won't be maneuvering/evading

Launching a Vega missile is not detectable by RWR's. thumbsup
The only time US NAVY faced the Libyan S-200, they sent forward the Ticonderoga ships to detect the huge missile while flying.
(they did it successfully)


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#3355119 - 07/30/11 08:54 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I have an impression that in the sim, jamming aircraft generally do not change their altitude.
Is it so? Is it a merciful feature so that we could shoot them down? smile

#3355164 - 07/30/11 11:09 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Hi to all!
fearful.fearful.fearful

eek.eek.eek.eek

eek2.eek2.eek2.eek2.eek2.eek2.eek2.eek2.eek2.eek2.eek2.eek2


for several weeks I worked very Hard to upgrade some oldish Volhov, and now it's ready to be used!
if you are ready Hpasp, you can add it to next release of SAM Sim.thumbsup

How can guess what is this???


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#3355166 - 07/30/11 11:16 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Is this in the USA?

#3355188 - 07/30/11 12:35 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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Originally Posted By: MK_PL
Is this in the USA?

is it printed Made in USA ??


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#3355204 - 07/30/11 01:11 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
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Maybe a training facility.
Or a playground in your courtyard smile

#3355210 - 07/30/11 01:19 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
5. The reason I only use 1 missile for this engagement is simple; no US aircraft has ever been fired on by an S-200 before. Therefore, the SR-71 will never even know it's been engaged and thus won't be maneuvering/evading

Launching a Vega missile is not detectable by RWR's. thumbsup
The only time US NAVY faced the Libyan S-200, they sent forward the Ticonderoga ships to detect the huge missile while flying.
(they did it successfully)


Oh, I meant that since no US aircraft had ever been shot at by an S-200 they wouldn't know they'd need an AWACS or something with a very powerful radar to spot the launch. I'm sure at that time they assumed it would spike RWR just as all previous Russian SAMs did.

#3355219 - 07/30/11 01:38 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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Originally Posted By: MK_PL
Maybe a training facility.
Or a playground in your courtyard smile


just waiting for the Guru opinion, then I will tell you !
I promise!

Hum Master ? some idea about this transformer ?"

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#3355251 - 07/30/11 02:31 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3355575 - 07/30/11 11:02 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3355617 - 07/31/11 12:44 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Even neva is present

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Volhov model


Dvina model



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#3355716 - 07/31/11 04:03 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I just love looking at all these photos and the great info here. thumbsup

#3355830 - 07/31/11 12:50 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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Originally Posted By: MK_PL
I have an impression that in the sim, jamming aircraft generally do not change their altitude.
Is it so? Is it a merciful feature so that we could shoot them down? smile


Nope.

The SR71 were simply not able to change its altitude quickly, otherwise it would stall.
The B52 pilots over Hanoi were threatened with court-martial if they break the formation.

F4 will change altitude at their will...
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#3355835 - 07/31/11 01:04 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
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Originally Posted By: Kairo
Hi to all!

How can guess what is this???


I guess for a Weasel training aid, probable a Tolicha peak (Nevada [Area-51])?


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3355900 - 07/31/11 03:14 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp

The B52 pilots over Hanoi were threatened with court-martial if they break the formation..


Wow, that's pretty dumb. Altho, I don't imagine a B-52 would be able to maneuver very well. I'm defiantly looking forward to seeing what kind of tricks the SA-5 has to deal with SEAD.

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#3355906 - 07/31/11 03:22 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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The reason for that was for defensive equipment and rear gun coverage. If aircraft left the formation it changed the coverage of their ECM gear and left aircraft more vulnerable, and also left holes in their gun coverage for the rear guns.

Miao, Cat


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