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#3344305 - 07/18/11 08:59 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
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Sorry. BTW, I was in Boumerdes once.

Originally Posted By: Kairo


unfortunately no, I have retired since 2000 due to illness!! sigh
I woked in SNR-125 ....

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#3344310 - 07/18/11 09:07 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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humm .. work, tourist or live on this town?

there is some think there ..


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#3344314 - 07/18/11 09:20 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
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I have observation about a lot of keys, switches, knob, and others who are not in use, and so no details or info about them, some explanation ?


are they planned for future for more realistic use?


Some of these are for initial system check, some are for systems that are not modeled.

1...4, I do not know by hart, should be checked.

5...10, are for ARU/MARU/RRU controls.
Not simulated.
(auto/manual gain)

11, Angle synchronizer input source.
(used during maintenance only.)

12, Missile tracker mark check switch.
At the Volhov you can see the 3 missile tracker mark at the bottom of the I32V indicators.
At the Neva they are "below" the screen. When you switch it, they jump forward, to the screen.
(used during maintenance only.)

13, Ask electricity from the generator operators.
They have a lamp that illuminates if this is pressed.
(never used in Hungary)

14, Karat target tracking camera is switched on indicator.

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Last edited by Hpasp; 07/18/11 09:21 AM.

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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3344322 - 07/18/11 09:34 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
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A family member was working there, I came for holiday.


Originally Posted By: Kairo
humm .. work, tourist or live on this town?

there is some think there ..

#3344328 - 07/18/11 09:50 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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others who are not in use also, and no info about them, some explanation ?



and some indicators who seems works but need some deep explanation





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#3344332 - 07/18/11 09:58 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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Originally Posted By: MK_PL
A family member was working there, I came for holiday.


you'r welcome, I also have a family living there, but I live 1200Km far from them, I see them only on big holidays.
(I see you haven't put your country!)


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#3344368 - 07/18/11 11:03 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
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I live in Poland.

Originally Posted By: Kairo
Originally Posted By: MK_PL
A family member was working there, I came for holiday.


you'r welcome, I also have a family living there, but I live 1200Km far from them, I see them only on big holidays.
(I see you haven't put your country!)

#3344372 - 07/18/11 11:16 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
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others who are not in use also, and no info about them, some explanation ?


17...18, PU drive
16, used during PU drive maintenance
15, 19, PU maintenance
14, used during target search maintenance


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3344378 - 07/18/11 11:27 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
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and some indicators who seems works but need some deep explanation


h1, h2 is the same as in the Volhov.
It shows how far were the missile from the target (in the two plain h1/h2), when it exploded.
With 9, you can select between the two missile.

1...5 here you can launch electronic target, and missile for practice.
(this is not simulated, but these are on the to-do list smile

6...7 used only during maintenance

8, +26V circuit breaker
(we are getting too deep smile

10, maintenance mode selector

IM, magnetron heater current indicator
Different current is needed for 40km and for 80km.

ID, receiver sensitivity indicator.
(working only during maintenance)

Phew...


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3344380 - 07/18/11 11:33 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
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and some indicators who seems works but need some deep explanation


1...4 UNV elevation/azimuth drive delta current

5...9 Remote UNV drive controls
(used only during maintenance)

dizzy


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3344387 - 07/18/11 11:55 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Hpasp, sorry for new suggestions... but since there is so much information in this forum (e.g. in your last posts) maybe it should be included in the manuals or in the sim itself?

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#3344389 - 07/18/11 12:01 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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BTW, Hpasp, have you seen a movie called "Flight of the Intruder"?

#3344395 - 07/18/11 12:10 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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Hpasp, sorry for new suggestions... but since there is so much information in this forum (e.g. in your last posts) maybe it should be included in the manuals or in the sim itself?

These info is not needed for the sim. nope
Manuals are already too big, for an average player.

Who is interested deeper, can find the original manuals here:
http://historykpvo.narod2.ru/
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3344568 - 07/18/11 03:16 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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reading

thank's Hpasp you are thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

Quote:
Who is interested deeper, can find the original manuals here:
http://historykpvo.narod2.ru/
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WAAAAAAAW !! ........ it's really an Alibaba's Cavern eek2 eek2 eek2 ? Incredible !! original maintenance Book! and others estimable treasures ... dizzy
jawdrop jawdrop jawdrop jawdrop jawdrop

But ... How to translate all this documents ??? it's in Russian language, and other more difficult think, to translate: ... there are in jpeg or .djvu format. not easy at all! duhduhduh
is there some translator around..... WinkNGrinWinkNGrinWinkNGrin
or someone who already translate or convert this Doc's to word format - or Pdf-??

Hey Guy's , any one have any information about this doc's already translated to English (or other languages)??

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#3344577 - 07/18/11 03:19 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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when translating, I have got some useful idea for Manual's to be light, when it's ready I will tell you ... rolleyes WinkNGrin

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#3344715 - 07/18/11 05:20 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I'm very sorry, but I still didn't understand everything that was explained... I will have to repeat few questions frown
Originally Posted By: Hpasp

5...10, are for ARU/MARU/RRU controls.
Not simulated.
(auto/manual gain)

Sorry but, what's ARU/MARU/RRU? I searched for it on manual, didn't found, and don't remember this being told on older messages.

Originally Posted By: Hpasp

They are for initial SNR setup at a new place for Geodetic measurements.
So it measures the local geomagnetic interference for correction or what?

Originally Posted By: Hpasp

3, target acquisition mode selector
In the beginning, these systems (SA-2/SA-3) were shipped without target acquisition radars (P12/P15/P18).
So they can be used like an acquisition radar. This mode is not simulated with the Neva, but you have it in the Volhov. (not documented smile

So the RSN-75V3-OP can be used as a acquisition radar?
How it works, where can i find it?! Look promising!




Once again Hpasp, sorry for disturb with these silly doubts. I really admire your work, maybe especially because my country don't have any ground based radar air defense system, just som EW radars, neither did i served in the Army!
So I sorry if we expect a full simulator of every role in a SAM Battery... But's such a poorly explored area that I wait for a full simulator, that can show the greatness of this "job", even knowing that it's impossible...
Anyway, your work is still the best, by miles, in this area of civilian simulation of SAM and I'm very grateful for your "present", and for your great explanations here in the topics... Keep the great work!

#3344795 - 07/18/11 06:29 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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may be i can answer this first:

Originally Posted By: Redcoalition

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
They are for initial SNR setup at a new place for Geodetic measurements.

So it measures the local geomagnetic interference for correction or what?


I think it measures no think, it just indicates simply if the SNR orientation (or alignement) is well ( right), with no offset between him and display scope, because when we put SNR in new location after displacement, we must calibrate his orientaion with instruments in Ynk cabine, we use this instrument for that, to avoid false azimuth indication (real target 240 - SNR Scope 245: for example!)

Right??

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#3344835 - 07/18/11 06:56 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I can answer also this:

Originally Posted By: Redcoalition

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
3, target acquisition mode selector
In the beginning, these systems (SA-2/SA-3) were shipped without target acquisition radars (P12/P15/P18).
So they can be used like an acquisition radar. This mode is not simulated with the Neva, but you have it in the Volhov. (not documented smile

So the RSN-75V3-OP can be used as a acquisition radar?
How it works, where can i find it?! Look promising!


the answer is already in the Volhov-ENG-V2 Manual Page 17, read the last line!



but this answer steel need deep explanation from Hpasp, because no more details is in the manual about that (I think!)
- may be is the methods in Page 22 "Target Acquisition using Wide Beam mode", I'm not sure! -


Originally Posted By: Hpasp

So they can be used like an acquisition radar. This mode is not simulated with the Neva

for Hpasp :
some planing to be add in future -in to-do list-?, because there is the real world-


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#3344916 - 07/18/11 07:59 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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Originally Posted By: MK_PL

A family member was working there, I came for holiday.
I live in Poland.

Our Territory Air Defence Higher School. is just around ...
It's formed also other foreign military from Africa, Libya , and other's country.
http://www.mdn.dz/site_cfdat/index.php?L=an#undefined
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2onpb_sortie-promotion-a-l-eadat_school (sorry no translation available!)

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#3345092 - 07/18/11 10:55 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
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Originally Posted By: Kairo
may be i can answer this first:

Originally Posted By: Redcoalition

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
They are for initial SNR setup at a new place for Geodetic measurements.

So it measures the local geomagnetic interference for correction or what?


I think it measures no think, it just indicates simply if the SNR orientation (or alignement) is well ( right), with no offset between him and display scope, because when we put SNR in new location after displacement, we must calibrate his orientaion with instruments in Ynk cabine, we use this instrument for that, to avoid false azimuth indication (real target 240 - SNR Scope 245: for example!)

Right??
Looks like this is the real explanation!
Many thanks!

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