Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Hop To
Page 20 of 176 1 2 18 19 20 21 22 175 176
#3344161 - 07/18/11 02:31 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Redcoalition]  
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 210
NaiseFail Offline
Member
NaiseFail  Offline
Member

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 210
Virginia
Originally Posted By: Redcoalition
I have a question about KRUG system:
How i set manually the altitude for jamming target?!
Other thing... Why when i set manually the range for jamming target the Long Track screen shows a dot, representing the calculated location of target?! It was like that on real life, when battery commander putted a simulated range for the jamming target, the battalion commander received it and had it shown on it's screen?

Another things: What's the use of this button?



First of all you don't need to set the altitude for the 2K11 Krug. Secondly, that switch is the SNR Frequency selector switch, it's used with the three buttons on the Z screen. If you notice, on the Z screen there are three lights that can show Roman numerals (I, II and III), these show which frequency you're currently operating on. These SNR frequencies are used during war time, or when operating near another 2K11 system. As for your last picture, I have no clue what those are.

Inline advert (2nd and 3rd post)

#3344228 - 07/18/11 05:21 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Kairo Offline
Member
Kairo  Offline
Member

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Algeria
Hi!
I have some original questions:
first about that wheels:



I suppose that four wheels (1 to 4)are used to get target manually, I don't now which one is for what exactly, but I know that they works like mouse dragging (left-right) in the tree indicators Up, (elevation, range, azimuth) and one of them still with unknown function for me!
and to lock automatic tracking we pull (or push) the desired wheels, in theory only two wheels can do this push/pull,..
my guess is right?

can you tell me more about that wheels?

And I have an Important Question:
After launching Missile (just one, no salvo mode, and all necessary stage is done to launch), and before the missile hit the target,
what can do the second (2) wheel? in this short moment? (or all others wheels?)
and are there Guidelines method to use C-125? (automatic mode use, semi-automatic mode use, manual mode use).


the rounded white indicators is for what? (I guess is for launcher's direction!?, or SNR orientation?)
they are not important to be in SAM Sim?

and finally (for to day), what do switch (2)

Thank you for reading, and for all the time you keep to answer our scuse_me questions! wave

Last edited by Kairo; 07/18/11 05:26 AM.

Sgt/C. Kairo
#3344235 - 07/18/11 05:31 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: NaiseFail]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hpasp Offline
Senior Member
Hpasp  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hungary, Europe
I hope, that once in your life, you will have the possibility to personally climb into one of these system.
(In a museum, or at an airshow)

It will be quite a surreal experience, that you were never there in your life earlier, but you know most of the switches...
yep



Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

thumbsup
#3344241 - 07/18/11 05:45 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Kairo Offline
Member
Kairo  Offline
Member

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Algeria
can we hope to see one day, simulator for this - maybe in the future, when you have more time... WinkNGrin





for ho want to ask; it's SAM S-300-MPU Fire Cabin Control.

Last edited by Kairo; 07/19/11 02:40 AM.

Sgt/C. Kairo
#3344242 - 07/18/11 05:49 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Redcoalition]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hpasp Offline
Senior Member
Hpasp  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hungary, Europe
I have a question about KRUG system:
How i set manually the altitude for jamming target?!


KRUG mode of operation under jamming is pretty similar to what the Volhov has with I87V.
When you put it into jamming range tracking "PA" mode, you can set the target range with the range wheel, and the target altitude with the elevation wheel.

Set altitude, and range can be read out from the DHV instrument

Other thing... Why when i set manually the range for jamming target the Long Track screen shows a dot, representing the calculated location of target?! It was like that on real life, when battery commander putted a simulated range for the jamming target, the battalion commander received it and had it shown on it's screen?

Yes. The I87V at the Volhov also creates you a simulated target distance. It is used to determine the moment of missile launch.

Another things: What's the use of this button?

NaiseFail described it nicely.
It was a guarded and sealed switch during peacetime, to avoid accidental betrayal of this capability.

Last edited by Hpasp; 07/18/11 05:53 AM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

thumbsup
#3344256 - 07/18/11 06:16 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Redcoalition]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hpasp Offline
Senior Member
Hpasp  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hungary, Europe
I have a question about KRUG system:
... what's the use of this weird thing, heating?


They are the heart of the SDC system.
They are called "potenciáloszkóp" (potential tube) in Hungarian, I do not know the English word for it.

They are basically analogue vacuum memory tubes storing the transmitted impulse (like a TV screen), than the received pulse is compared to it.
http://www.radartutorial.eu/11.coherent/co07.en.html




Last edited by Hpasp; 07/18/11 06:27 AM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

thumbsup
#3344263 - 07/18/11 06:37 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 191
MK_PL Offline
Member
MK_PL  Offline
Member

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 191
Poland
As far as technology is concerned...
In this article they say that the Polish ODRA 1325 computer was used in the system that downed the F117.
(The article is in Polish, unfortunately).

http://www.newsweek.pl/artykuly/sekcje/nauka/odra-1305--cud-techniki-po-polsku-,59316,1

#3344264 - 07/18/11 06:47 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hpasp Offline
Senior Member
Hpasp  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hungary, Europe
I have some original questions:
first about that wheels:



I suppose that four wheels (1 to 4)are used to get target manually, I don't now which one is for what exactly, but I know that they works like mouse dragging (left-right) in the tree indicators Up, (elevation, range, azimuth) and one of them still with unknown function for me!
and to lock automatic tracking we pull (or push) the desired wheels, in theory only two wheels can do this push/pull,..
my guess is right?

can you tell me more about that wheels?


1, elevation, you can rotate it left - right

2, range, you can rotate it left - right (this wheel is bigger, to be able to rotate it more precisely)

4, azimuth, you can rotate it left - right and also you can pull it out (approx 1cm) or push it in.
When it is pulled out towards you, than you are in control. (manual mode)
When it is pushed in (right click on the mouse), towards the instrument panel, than the system has control. (automatic angle tracking mode)

3, target acquisition mode selector
In the beginning, these systems (SA-2/SA-3) were shipped without target acquisition radars (P12/P15/P18).
So they can be used like an acquisition radar. This mode is not simulated with the Neva, but you have it in the Volhov. (not documented smile
This rotating wheel has 4 settings, off-KO-MSP-BSP. The indicator is above it.

After the Vietnam war, all SAM battery received own target acquisition radar, and these were forbidden to use. (also suicidal)


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

thumbsup
#3344274 - 07/18/11 07:03 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hpasp Offline
Senior Member
Hpasp  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hungary, Europe
And I have an Important Question:
After launching Missile (just one, no salvo mode, and all necessary stage is done to launch), and before the missile hit the target,
what can do the second (2) wheel? in this short moment? (or all others wheels?)
and are there Guidelines method to use C-125? (automatic mode use, semi-automatic mode use, manual mode use).


Yes they have.
SA-2/SA-3 both has
- RS (manual target acquisition mode, Fire Control Officer)
- AS (manual target tracking mode, Elevation/Range/Azimuth Tracking Officer)
- AS-AP (automatic target tracking mode - by the system)

In the sim, we have only RS and AS-AP.
Elevation/Range/Azimuth Tracking Officer is not simulated.

You cannot do much with the wheels, if the missile is launched.
At the SA2, you can reacquire the target if it is lost, but the chance of hit is reduced.


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

thumbsup
#3344276 - 07/18/11 07:09 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hpasp Offline
Senior Member
Hpasp  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hungary, Europe
I have some original questions:

the rounded white indicators is for what? (I guess is for launcher's direction!?, or SNR orientation?)
they are not important to be in SAM Sim?


They are for initial SNR setup at a new place for Geodetic measurements.

and finally (for to day), what do switch (2)

IFF

Last edited by Hpasp; 07/18/11 07:09 AM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

thumbsup
#3344278 - 07/18/11 07:16 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hpasp Offline
Senior Member
Hpasp  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hungary, Europe
can we hope to see one day, simulator for this - maybe in the future, when you have more time... WinkNGrin
for ho want to ask; it's SAM S-300xx Fire Cabin Control.


It is the F2 cabin of the S-300PS/PMU Volhov-M6 (SA-10B) system.
I would launch all the target drones in Asuluk at the same time, and than would hit all parallel...
thumbsup


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

thumbsup
#3344279 - 07/18/11 07:18 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 191
MK_PL Offline
Member
MK_PL  Offline
Member

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 191
Poland
Three first paragraphs from the article:

On 30th April (2010), Odra, the last Polish computer that was working uninterruptedly for more than 30 years was shut down. The computer was the pride of the Polish IT industry of the communist period.

For Capt Tedd Reachmond, the night flight on 27th March 1999 had an unexpected ending.
The F117 stealth attack aircraft which he piloted was performing a combat mission over Serbia when it got into the range of the Tamara passive radar system manufactured in the former Czechoslovakia. The Rodan 10 computer that controlled the system detected a very small contact. In the memory of the device which was a military variant of the Odra 1325, sample echoes generated by the B2 and F117 aircraft were stored.

A second-long analysis, conclusion: it’s an enemy aircraft. Another second: range, speed, altitude, flight path. The data are sent to a Soviet-made S125 Neva SAM system. Serbian Colonel Zoltan Dani gives a short command: “Launch the missile”. A few seconds pass, there is an explosion explosion and USD 120 million worth aircraft begins its last descent.

It’s hard to say who was more surprised: Capt Reachmond, floating under the canopy of his parachute or analysts at the Pentagon. According to their information, equipment manufactured in the Warsaw Pact countries by no means could detect and destroy high-tech stealth aircraft. However, this assumption was not stored in the memory of the old Odra computer. It was doing its job.

#3344282 - 07/18/11 07:26 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Kairo Offline
Member
Kairo  Offline
Member

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Algeria
Quote:

...
It is the F2 cabin of the S-300PS/PMU Volhov-M6 (SA-10B) system.
I would launch all the target drones in Asuluk at the same time, and than would hit all parallel...

thumbsup

don't forget to send us invitation! we will be ready ready for that!

Last edited by Kairo; 07/18/11 07:28 AM.

Sgt/C. Kairo
#3344283 - 07/18/11 07:28 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hpasp Offline
Senior Member
Hpasp  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hungary, Europe
As far as technology is concerned...
In this article they say that the Polish ODRA 1325 computer was used in the system that downed the F117.
(The article is in Polish, unfortunately).


Nice advertisement...
... just not true.

1, Lt. Col. Dale Zelko was the F117A pilot.
2, Tamara was not used during OAF. (personally I doubt, that it could detect the Stealth)
3, F117A was acquired by a modified P18 at that night.


Last edited by Hpasp; 07/18/11 07:34 AM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

thumbsup
#3344286 - 07/18/11 07:41 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hpasp Offline
Senior Member
Hpasp  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,665
Hungary, Europe
Three first paragraphs from the article:

On 30th April (2010), Odra, the last Polish computer that was working uninterruptedly for more than 30 years was shut down. The computer was the pride of the Polish IT industry of the communist period.

For Capt Tedd Reachmond, the night flight on 27th March 1999 had an unexpected ending.
The F117 stealth attack aircraft which he piloted was performing a combat mission over Serbia when it got into the range of the Tamara passive radar system manufactured in the former Czechoslovakia. The Rodan 10 computer that controlled the system detected a very small contact. In the memory of the device which was a military variant of the Odra 1325, sample echoes generated by the B2 and F117 aircraft were stored.

A second-long analysis, conclusion: it’s an enemy aircraft. Another second: range, speed, altitude, flight path. The data are sent to a Soviet-made S125 Neva SAM system. Serbian Colonel Zoltan Dani gives a short command: “Launch the missile”. A few seconds pass, there is an explosion explosion and USD 120 million worth aircraft begins its last descent.

It’s hard to say who was more surprised: Capt Reachmond, floating under the canopy of his parachute or analysts at the Pentagon. According to their information, equipment manufactured in the Warsaw Pact countries by no means could detect and destroy high-tech stealth aircraft. However, this assumption was not stored in the memory of the old Odra computer. It was doing its job.


Please...
banghead

Better article about this event:
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2005/11/secrets-of-1999-f-117-shootdown.html


Myself with Dani Zoltán.
(Im holding the piece of the F117A thumbsup )


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

thumbsup
#3344292 - 07/18/11 08:14 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 191
MK_PL Offline
Member
MK_PL  Offline
Member

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 191
Poland
Thanks for the comments.
I'm not responsible for the contents of the article smile
If it's inaccurate, it's sad that they publish such things in the net.

#3344295 - 07/18/11 08:24 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Kairo Offline
Member
Kairo  Offline
Member

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Algeria
My New EW Radar. yeah (it's not a polish made!!)



with my old SNR-125. cowboy


as seen in Spot TV

Last edited by Kairo; 07/18/11 08:28 AM.

Sgt/C. Kairo
#3344297 - 07/18/11 08:30 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Kairo]  
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 191
MK_PL Offline
Member
MK_PL  Offline
Member

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 191
Poland
Nice pics. Is that you in front of the screen writing posts for this forum? smile

Originally Posted By: Kairo
My New EW Radar. yeah (it's not a polish made!!)

#3344301 - 07/18/11 08:51 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Kairo Offline
Member
Kairo  Offline
Member

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Algeria
I have observation about a lot of keys, switches, knob, and others who are not in use, and so no details or info about them, some explanation ?



are they planned for future for more realistic use?
(next pic's is come in!)

Last edited by Kairo; 07/19/11 02:30 AM.

Sgt/C. Kairo
#3344302 - 07/18/11 08:56 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Kairo Offline
Member
Kairo  Offline
Member

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 139
Algeria
Originally Posted By: MK_PL
Nice pics. Is that you in front of the screen writing posts for this forum? smile

Originally Posted By: Kairo
My New EW Radar. yeah (it's not a polish made!!)


unfortunately no, I have retired since 2000 due to illness!! sigh
I woked in SNR-125 ....

Last edited by Kairo; 07/19/11 02:30 AM.

Sgt/C. Kairo
Page 20 of 176 1 2 18 19 20 21 22 175 176

Moderated by  RacerGT 

Quick Search
Recent Articles
Support SimHQ

If you shop on Amazon use this Amazon link to support SimHQ
.
Social


Recent Topics
Carnival Cruise Ship Fire....... Again
by F4UDash4. 03/26/24 05:58 PM
Baltimore Bridge Collapse
by F4UDash4. 03/26/24 05:51 PM
The Oldest WWII Veterans
by F4UDash4. 03/24/24 09:21 PM
They got fired after this.
by Wigean. 03/20/24 08:19 PM
Grown ups joke time
by NoFlyBoy. 03/18/24 10:34 PM
Anyone Heard from Nimits?
by F4UDash4. 03/18/24 10:01 PM
RIP Gemini/Apollo astronaut Tom Stafford
by semmern. 03/18/24 02:14 PM
10 years after 3/8/2014
by NoFlyBoy. 03/17/24 10:25 AM
Copyright 1997-2016, SimHQ Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0