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#3338705 - 07/10/11 02:52 AM Tips for someone coming from ROF  
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Hopefully in ten days I will be getting COD. I have been playing Rise of flight almost exclusively for the past year and I was wondering if any of you that have played both sims had any tips on making the transition. Thanks!


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#3338807 - 07/10/11 08:41 AM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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ROF is to learn to fly and fight.
COD has twice as fast airplanes and engine are more complex.
So learn all you can about engines.
Learn to recover from a spin.

The game and scenarios are faster to load and when you go to "FLY" there is no pause like in every ROF scenario start.

In COD you can fly lower but not slower and very high very fast.

The menus and way to use them is not the same at all, less intuitive.



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#3338813 - 07/10/11 09:13 AM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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I find that with Cod I fight more in the vertical plain, where as RoF is more in the horizontal, engine management is key, and they tend to be more like the Se 5 with regard to fragility. A lot of fun to be had despite what some will tell you, and likely to improve a fair bit more!

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#3338861 - 07/10/11 12:49 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Yeah mate, first of all, congrats, and secondly, dont listen to all the negative hype on the forums, the silent majority love this game, have it running great and are too busy playing it to be on forums whinging about it! :-)

That said, just take some time to learn to fly the planes - the flight model is totally different and the engine management is way more complex in cliffs. Don't jump straight into dogfights - get a feel for how each plane handles in different conditions.

Look on youtube - search for the various plane startup procedures - they are all there - its best to learn complex engine management as soon as possible, dont be scared of it - its much easier than it first seems and you'll get the hang of it in no time.

Yeah, the back-end of cliffs isn't as polished as ROF, but that game is a year older - cliffs is improving all the time and will be amazing in a few months time. For now though, the flight and damage models are fantastic and the graphics are spectacular - so sit back, strap yourself in and enjoy the experience!

#3338932 - 07/10/11 03:40 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Have a look at Freys videos, very well done and show off the good parts of the sim.(even if he cant fly very well wink )

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#3338941 - 07/10/11 03:57 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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If you can spare the money then CloD is worth the investment, at least in a sense that each sale helps fund further development. If money is tight then save your money and give it about a year to see how CloD turns out. It has far to many game breaking bugs to be considered anywhere close to release worthy.

Contrary to what ReconNZ said, the silent majority are not enjoying the game, they have most likely moved on or have given up on it in its current state. I suggest if money is tight that you do the same. Sure it has potential, but we can't play potential.

#3338960 - 07/10/11 04:33 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Cliffs of Dover is still a work in progress. ROF is a highly-polished finished (but still evolving) product with the recent release of its excellent Campaign.

That said, CoD has enough going for it to be an excellent skirmish sim with substantial graphical and engine management detail. Much remains to be done to provide the many missing (but promised) features, resolve the bugs and glitches, and hopefully replace the dysfunctional Campaign. I've spent many hours totally enthralled flying this sim and learning the in's and out's of flying the Spitfires and Hurricanes. Others are completely frustrated and disgusted that the sim was released in its flawed state.

I don't know where the majority vote lies on this. Console gamers would undoubtedly prefer Wings of Prey in terms of the eye candy and instant gratification the action provides -- nothing wrong with that. Sim "purists" will prefer the greater focus on authenticity at the expense of fast & furious whiz-bang that WoP delivers. Different strokes for different folks.


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#3339061 - 07/10/11 07:52 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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Originally Posted By: BKHZ_Furbs


You got that one right!


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#3339064 - 07/10/11 07:59 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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I believe that majority is nevertheless enjoying the game, but it's a pure speculation. Just don't understand how it's possible to not enjoy such a masterpiece of true art like CloD. Love it since the first day even with all its initial bugs. With a decent, properly calibrated screen it looks gorgeous. But I am a graphics guy and all those campaigns are out of my interest, didn't even try them.

#3339155 - 07/10/11 10:52 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: soaringbird]  
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Originally Posted By: soaringbird
..............Just don't understand how it's possible to not enjoy such a masterpiece of true art like CloD..............


easy, just read this
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#3339190 - 07/10/11 11:32 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: 2005AD]  
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Originally Posted By: 2005AD

Contrary to what ReconNZ said, the silent majority are not enjoying the game, they have most likely moved on or have given up on it in its current state. I suggest if money is tight that you do the same. Sure it has potential, but we can't play potential.


If they're the silent majority then how do you know?

I'm enjoying both but RoF is definitely the more polished game. CLoD has a lot of potential and the game is far better than its initial release here in Australia but a lot of work still has to be done.

If you're a fan of WW2 aircraft then this game is a must.
If you're a general flight simmer then there are better games to get and play while this is being improved.

I don't think you'll need to worry about spin recovery. Anyone flying those lawnmower crates has to know a thing or two about spin recovery.
I think the biggest change will be complex engine management and getting used to faster speed and a more powerful engine. This will allow you to do more complex air acrobatics without worrying about stalling or your wings ripping off.

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Contrary to what ReconNZ said, the silent majority are not enjoying the game, they have most likely moved on or have given up on it in its current state. I suggest if money is tight that you do the same. Sure it has potential, but we can't play potential.


If they're the silent majority then how do you know?


http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3330516/1.html

That thread was conducted right here on SimHQ. I'm going to go ahead and call it valid, next question smile

Originally Posted By: WynnTTr
I'm enjoying both but RoF is definitely the more polished game. CLoD has a lot of potential and the game is far better than its initial release here in Australia but a lot of work still has to be done.


Slightly agree: The above quote makes it sound like it is a much better sim than on release. The truth is it has gone from a rip-off utter joke that didn't work to laughably bad with very limited content. It has been released now for almost four months and we still have game breaking bugs. Yes the fact that sound cuts out in MP is a game breaking bug.

Originally Posted By: WynnTTr
If you're a fan of WW2 aircraft then this game is a must.


Disagree. Unless being a fan of WW2 also means you do not care about historical aircraft performance or an accurate depiction of one of the largest and most impoortant air battles ever fought.

Originally Posted By: WynnTTr
If you're a general flight simmer then there are better games to get and play while this is being improved.


I would say this applies even if you are a WWII flight simmer. After all I am more interested in WWII than WWI or modern era but I find both RoF and DCS A-10C to be much better experience.

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I don't think you'll need to worry about spin recovery. Anyone flying those lawnmower crates has to know a thing or two about spin recovery.


Agree

Originally Posted By: WynnTTr
I think the biggest change will be complex engine management and getting used to faster speed and a more powerful engine.


The complex engine management in CloD is not that complex, it is tied to RPM and radiator position only. It is better than the one in IL2 but it is still nothing special, just open radiators/oil coolers to 50% and fly full power until the fuel runs out. The only difference between engine management in CloD and RoF is having to control the prop pitch. I'm not sure if overcooling at high altitude is modelled in CloD, I have never been able to get any of the aircraft anywhere close to thier operational cieling... hmmm another major bug that hasn't been fixed.

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Originally Posted By: 2005AD
The truth is it has gone from a rip-off utter joke that didn't work to laughably bad with very limited content.


Funny how the haters always think of themselves as the dispensers of "The Truth". The above quote says more about you than about the sim.

Just bugger off if you hate the sim so much. You must have many more worthwhile pursuits in your life, surely...


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#3339404 - 07/11/11 08:52 AM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: 2005AD]  
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Originally Posted By: 2005AD

The complex engine management in CloD is not that complex, it is tied to RPM and radiator position only. It is better than the one in IL2 but it is still nothing special, just open radiators/oil coolers to 50% and fly full power until the fuel runs out. The only difference between engine management in CloD and RoF is having to control the prop pitch.


Thats true. Apart from clickable cocpits(selecting magnetos/fuel tanks/etc) engine managemet of CloD is not that different from RoF. RoF WWI era planes just have fixed propellers.

Another thing that I am not so sure is CloD damage model (dont confuse visual model to true damage model) actually better. IE compare how many places wings can break (imo both are about about same) but CloD seems to lack dynamic damage on wings (one wing section can bend and dame otehr section next to it). In engines RoF is hard to read as it lacks gauges (IE oil preasure), but both have oil leaks, radiator leaks, fuel leaks. I also know that RoF calculates mixture A/F ratio and can have detonations if mixture get too lean(D.VIIF), and ofcourse already mentioned cylinder overcooling.

Overall, I dont think CloD has better damage model. Most players just confuse it with better visual damage model (20mm explosion mark is cool looking in metal wing, where as in wwi bullet would just leave small hole to canvas).


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Originally Posted By: MIG77

Thats true. Apart from clickable cocpits(selecting magnetos/fuel tanks/etc) engine managemet of CloD is not that different from RoF. RoF WWI era planes just have fixed propellers.


Ehhhhhh? - Propeller pitch, oil cooler, super-charger, interrelated controls, carburettor heating, etc, etc..?

CEM in CoD is an order of magnitude more complex than in RoF.


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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
Originally Posted By: MIG77

Thats true. Apart from clickable cocpits(selecting magnetos/fuel tanks/etc) engine managemet of CloD is not that different from RoF. RoF WWI era planes just have fixed propellers.


Ehhhhhh? - Propeller pitch, oil cooler, super-charger, interrelated controls, carburettor heating, etc, etc..?

CEM in CoD is an order of magnitude more complex than in RoF.


Never have to use those apart from oil cooler/proller pitch (Depends mostly plane you fly). And as AD2500 said, you can leave oil cooler at 50% and forget it (I usually open it fully). In normal flying you just need to change propeller pitch (and not even that if you fly Spits/hurris which have two stage/constant speed propellers).


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#3339421 - 07/11/11 09:26 AM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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I thought I noticed that Spitfire cooling system efficiency reduces under conditions of lower IAS and high boost, to account for lower airflow thru the radiator. Maybe that was just my imagination.

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I am pretty sure that carb heat comes in handy when flying through clouds, have had the hurri's engine near on grind to a halt several times due to icing.


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Originally Posted By: MIG77


Never have to use those apart from oil cooler/proller pitch (Depends mostly plane you fly).


Ok, that's fine: you choose to never fly through clouds... - It is also definitely possible to fly without touching the prop pitch, if you want to putter along at 200 kmph...


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That poll is quite funny. I tried but was not able to vote. It was probably locked immediately. Perhaps those haters who are hanging around constantly are all the no goers. Guess majority didn't even know about that poll.
What amaze me a lot is why people feel a necessity to express their hate so much. I bought Wings of Prey also and didn't like neither how it looks nor plays but never wrote a word on its forums. I would probably never write a word here too if not so much of absolutely weird and irrational hate from some people.

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Originally Posted By: 2005AD
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Originally Posted By: 2005AD

Contrary to what ReconNZ said, the silent majority are not enjoying the game, they have most likely moved on or have given up on it in its current state. I suggest if money is tight that you do the same. Sure it has potential, but we can't play potential.


If they're the silent majority then how do you know?


http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3330516/1.html

That thread was conducted right here on SimHQ. I'm going to go ahead and call it valid, next question smile


...and I'm a Mawnkey's hat...

That thread was up for only a couple of hours before being locked - it will primarily have votes from the most compulsive forum visitors (who are on most often).

In addition, the forum was primarily being used to bash Oleg around that time - not to discuss actually playing the sim - so it will tend to attract people who like doing that (rather than flying).

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If you fly a Bf109 REALISTIC, meaning cruising over the channel in 3 to 4000 m with 300 km/h to conserve fuel and staying with the Bombers, you HAVE to close the oil-cooler, or you are in for a nasty surprise as your oil-temp will go below 40C.

#3339479 - 07/11/11 12:15 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Turn around and go back to ROF for a few more weeks/months, this bird is back in the hanger being over hauled right now.

Although to be fair it can do some things werll such as an encounter with a lost handful of bombers/fighters. But by no means does this product (currently) simulate the Battle of Britain

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[quote=FieldyHK ...........Although to be fair it can do some things werll such as an encounter with a lost handful of bombers/fighters. But by no means does this product (currently) simulate the Battle of Britain [/quote]

Err, what does it simulate, then? The Battle of Midway? The Battle of Hastings?


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Originally Posted By: robtek
If you fly a Bf109 REALISTIC, meaning cruising over the channel in 3 to 4000 m with 300 km/h to conserve fuel and staying with the Bombers, you HAVE to close the oil-cooler, or you are in for a nasty surprise as your oil-temp will go below 40C.


Oh, I do check oil/water temp all the time. It just is that I dont need to change settings that much -> So IMHO saying it is something more complex than in RoF is screcth (where I usually set mixture/radiator more often)


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...and I'm a Mawnkey's hat...

That thread was up for only a couple of hours before being locked - it will primarily have votes from the most compulsive forum visitors (who are on most often).

In addition, the forum was primarily being used to bash Oleg around that time - not to discuss actually playing the sim - so it will tend to attract people who like doing that (rather than flying).


I was always tought a couple was two, hmmm now it seems it means almost seven. We could go round and round all day on who voted on that poll. It doesn't change the outcome smile

SimHQ is not the only forum where the general opinion of CloD is mostly negative with a hint of maybe it will get better thrown in. Like it or not CloD has not been well received by the majority of the sim community. Though don't take my word for it, takeyour head out of the sand long enough to go see other forums where people have openly stated they have moved on until (if) it gets fixed.

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Originally Posted By: Snapper
[quote=FieldyHK ...........Although to be fair it can do some things werll such as an encounter with a lost handful of bombers/fighters. But by no means does this product (currently) simulate the Battle of Britain


Err, what does it simulate, then? The Battle of Midway? The Battle of Hastings? [/quote]

My point being that the game doesnt simulate the battle in any way or form. Something that BOBII managed to do very well.

I hope they can fix not only the bugs but also the actual game part of, a non laughable Single Player element would be a start. But for me its a game breaker until they can throw up 100+ aircraft at any one time. Until then this is no BOB simulation in my humbe opinion.

Or am I wrong and there wasnt that kind of volume of air traffic over souther England in the summer of 1940? If so then I take it all back!

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You said "by no means". That is false. Not every air encounter in the Battle of Britain involved hundreds of aircraft. The Single Player missions represent very realistic aerial conflicts that took place July - October, 1940; which BOB2 also faithfully reproduces. Obviously there were huge Luftwaffe armadas launched during the Battle, but not on every single occasion as you infer.

The FMB in CoD is very capable of launching Eagle Day-scope operations, which you conveniently chose to overlook.

"By no means"? Wrong!


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Originally Posted By: Snapper
You said "by no means". That is false. Not every air encounter in the Battle of Britain involved hundreds of aircraft. The Single Player missions represent very realistic aerial conflicts that took place July - October, 1940; which BOB2 also faithfully reproduces. Obviously there were huge Luftwaffe armadas launched during the Battle, but not on every single occasion as you infer.

The FMB in CoD is very capable of launching Eagle Day-scope operations, which you conveniently chose to overlook.

"By no means"? Wrong!


Corrected.

However by your definition you have to concede that this means the game only partially succeeds as a simulator of the Battle of Britain, otherwise why not call it an Eagle Day sim?

#3339543 - 07/11/11 02:07 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Do you boys hop out of your respective trenches at Christmas and have a kick about before heading back and shelling seven shades out of each other ?. You make anyone into flight sims look like complete nutcases.

As to RoF and CoD I would agree with the main (on topic) sentitments. As you will know RoF is a great sim and with recent updates is a good well rounded experience. If you don't let your expectations get out of hand CoD can be enjoyable now but it has issues that the developers have confirmed they are dealing with and when they do it should really start to shine. If you aren't the patient kind I would wait before getting CoD as you will become very frustrated very quickly with what needs to be fixed. If you have been with RoF from the start you should be fine as it was a similar story there.

You will find that it is easier to get good performance out of RoF than it is in CoD but it is possible if you are sensible with your settings. Even on medium graphics settings CoD is visually very impressive but if you have anything less than a 1gb GPU I would upgrade as you will have a job on getting it running well.

As an added bonus if you get CoD you will be able to select a place in one of the warring factions round here, the Chimps and the Gorillas, who throw rocks at each other every day.

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Absolutely, Fieldy, and there I agree with you 100%.

I've been amazed at what the BOB2 community was able to achieve with the original Rowan's BOB - especially with the Campaign. I found it completely immersive from a "Dowding-perspective" watching the incoming hostile raids develop and the responding squadrons scrambling, then with one click of the mouse jumping into the cockpit of a fighter to engage those very same marauding EA. Absolutely brilliant on many levels --and sadly lacking from CoD.

The missing/broken features and bugs in CoD are numerous and well-documented. For all of that, I find CoD immersive from a pilot's viewpoint of strapping into a cockpit and engaging enemy fighters and bombers. Others here have produced action-packed videos of these encounters which convincingly simulate many of the aerial combats that took place during the Battle. What's missing, as you point out, are the hundred-plus big raids which were iconic to The Battle of Britain. I haven't mastered the skills in the Full Mission Builder to reproduce these huge battles, but I'm hoping that those who do will be generous enough to post 'em up once done.

Finally, I apologize for "snapping". I concede you raised a valid and important point re the lack of scope of Cliffs of Dover and I nitpicked on your wording. Let's hope this sim gets finished the way it should be.


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#3339570 - 07/11/11 02:38 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Agreed Snapper, apology accepted. Ive just been looking at Barfly's video and as much as its beautiful I wish I could either get a copy of that mission or even better yet be able to build these kind of missions with relative ease. I simply dont have the time to invest hours/days in deciphering the mission builder to accomplish this.

Heres hoping though!

#3339719 - 07/11/11 06:37 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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but Snapper thats what you do after all its your name:)


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#3339727 - 07/11/11 06:45 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: SsSsSsSsSnake]  
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but Snapper thats what you do after all its your name:)


Hah, true enough, Snake, I just have to remember that here we're all on the same side! LOL


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#3339733 - 07/11/11 06:51 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Freycinet]  
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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
Originally Posted By: MIG77

Thats true. Apart from clickable cocpits(selecting magnetos/fuel tanks/etc) engine managemet of CloD is not that different from RoF. RoF WWI era planes just have fixed propellers.


Ehhhhhh? - Propeller pitch, oil cooler, super-charger, interrelated controls, carburettor heating, etc, etc..?

CEM in CoD is an order of magnitude more complex than in RoF.


A lot but not to much if you take time to learn it all not at once but little by little.

It is a fun game and you can make a choise so use the difficulty settings you want.

Have a fun game. cheers


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#3339736 - 07/11/11 06:53 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: ATAG_Snapper]  
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Originally Posted By: Snapper

Hah, true enough, Snake, I just have to remember that here we're all on the same side! LOL


Don't kid yourself. Are you on the same side as for instance this guy?:

Originally Posted By: 2005AD
The truth is it has gone from a rip-off utter joke that didn't work to laughably bad with very limited content.


Some people hate the sim with a vengeance and just have to come and post about it constantly. It is their reason for being.


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#3339768 - 07/11/11 07:34 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Freycinet]  
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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
Originally Posted By: Snapper

Hah, true enough, Snake, I just have to remember that here we're all on the same side! LOL


Don't kid yourself. Are you on the same side as for instance this guy?:

Originally Posted By: 2005AD
The truth is it has gone from a rip-off utter joke that didn't work to laughably bad with very limited content.


Some people hate the sim with a vengeance and just have to come and post about it constantly. It is their reason for being.


Frey, without pretending that I speak for anyone else, I think that he did mean exactly that. Even the most 'negative' people here are people who love aviation sims, hence we are all on the same side. Everyone here I'm sure would love this thing to work perfectly and 'as promised'. There are differences of opinion about what is acceptable and what is fun, also 'glass half full' people and 'glass half empty' ones too. Just live with the fact that not everyone is going to have the same opinion, or outlook as yourself and I think you'd have a lot more fun here!
Regards, Ben. (not that one!) cheers


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#3339802 - 07/11/11 08:27 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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#3339828 - 07/11/11 08:59 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Bokononist]  
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That pretty much sums up my thoughts, Bokononist. Life is too short. Enjoy the ride.


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#3339924 - 07/11/11 11:17 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Bokononist]  
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Originally Posted By: Bokononist

Just live with the fact that not everyone is going to have the same opinion, or outlook as yourself and I think you'd have a lot more fun here!
Regards, Ben. (not that one!) cheers


I cannot have much more fun than I already do, including actually having fun with the sim, as opposed to those poor sods who #%&*$# and moan and lecture us all about The Truth of how terrible it is.

For the fun I have, look in my sig... smile



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#3340158 - 07/12/11 08:48 AM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Freycinet]  
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No-one is disputing the fun you have with the sim, that is quite clear, and I don't need to look in your sig either, I've watched your films and they're great. What I'm bored of is legitamate threads getting hijacked by arguments between people with differing opinions that have nothing to do with the thread in question. I don't think I'm the only one either.
It seems to me that you are trying to be an advocate for the game, and mostly you do it in positive ways, films, advice etc. Then in in other ways frankly you don't.
The only point I wanted to make was in my last post so maybe re-read it, don't take it as a personal attack, because it's not, and if you don't 'get it', well sigh

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#3340311 - 07/12/11 02:05 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Bokononist]  
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I just find that getting into pi$$ing matches on forums, Twitter, blogs, etc. is counterproductive. It kills the enjoyment of that particular activity, and to what end? Like many here I have to frequently deal with nasty, unpleasant, and very unhappy people at work - but at least I get paid for it. I'm here strictly for enjoyment. I enjoy learning new stuff and I enjoy passing on info that others may find useful. I enjoy good-natured back-and-forths. I don't have time or patience for overt negativity or pessimism which is unfortunately all too frequent here.

In another current thread a new SimHQ member stated his approval for a posted CoD video (which I also thought was excellent), only to be greeted with a derisive "Drunk Man Walking" cartoon by a longtime member who perversely enjoys ridiculing others viciously. I wouldn't blame that new member for never returning, which reflects badly on the rest of us. Differences of opinion and spirited discussion is good. It keeps the topics fresh and alive. But I've decided not to waste my time on those who come here merely to deride this sim or fellow members here. The "Ignore" function is a great feature of SimHQ! smile


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#3340426 - 07/12/11 04:59 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Look, we meet in this forum because we have this sim and play with it and want to learn more about it, etc, etc... - Then some dimwits - many of whom don't own the sim - also come here to #%&*$# and moan about it and just deride it as strongly as they possibly can, constantly (2005AD:"The truth is it has gone from a rip-off utter joke that didn't work to laughably bad with very limited content"). Don't you think those people are the problem? - I do.

I don't join an Aston Martin owners' club just to show up and constantly moan and whine about how incredibly #%&*$# the car is. If I thought so I'd just stay away. I mean, what gives?


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#3340441 - 07/12/11 05:13 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Here is a tip i gave to myself


I went back to RoF

#3340446 - 07/12/11 05:22 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Freycinet]  
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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
Look, we meet in this forum because we have this sim and play with it and want to learn more about it, etc, etc... - Then some dimwits - many of whom don't own the sim - also come here to #%&*$# and moan about it and just deride it as strongly as they possibly can, constantly (2005AD:"The truth is it has gone from a rip-off utter joke that didn't work to laughably bad with very limited content"). Don't you think those people are the problem? - I do.

I don't join an Aston Martin owners' club just to show up and constantly moan and whine about how incredibly #%&*$# the car is. If I thought so I'd just stay away. I mean, what gives?


It's just human nature. SimHQ wants to respect free-speech, so that's this whole site's vibe. Yes, it is tiresome if you want to discuss the sim without constant jibing back and forth, but that gives us the basic options of either reading/posting here ourselves or not. You can stay at SimHQ or you can leave - just like free-speech, free-will works well too smile

I choose to leave the CoD forum bit at least, it's done I think. Cheerio, I'll miss over 50% of you! smile

#3340517 - 07/12/11 06:54 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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Originally Posted By: FearlessFrog
I choose to leave the CoD forum bit at least, it's done I think. Cheerio, I'll miss over 50% of you! smile


Hold on there pardner...do I understand this correctly, you are not coming back to this forum??!?! But you can't leave us here, alone, or %50 alone, or whatever......



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Frey, I think those people become a problem if we let them. As in "Don't feed the trolls" the best response is no response at all or, at most, a "yeah, whatever". I kick myself whenever I rise to the bait because I usually know better not to.


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Well, keep checking back. I'll bet Bisher's next paycheque that the July 19th U.S. release will have all bugs fixed, fully optimized code, honkin' new sounds, and a killer Campaign that'll make Heinkill's efforts look like House at Pooh Corner! biggrin


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#3340580 - 07/12/11 08:10 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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LOL you're pretty generious with my money Snapper, ya bugger biggrin



#3340590 - 07/12/11 08:19 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Tip one. The planes fly a lot faster. biggrin

#3340790 - 07/13/11 02:57 AM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: 2005AD]  
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Originally Posted By: 2005AD
Originally Posted By: WynnTTr
Originally Posted By: 2005AD

Contrary to what ReconNZ said, the silent majority are not enjoying the game, they have most likely moved on or have given up on it in its current state. I suggest if money is tight that you do the same. Sure it has potential, but we can't play potential.


If they're the silent majority then how do you know?


http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3330516/1.html

That thread was conducted right here on SimHQ. I'm going to go ahead and call it valid, next question smile

Originally Posted By: WynnTTr
I'm enjoying both but RoF is definitely the more polished game. CLoD has a lot of potential and the game is far better than its initial release here in Australia but a lot of work still has to be done.


Slightly agree: The above quote makes it sound like it is a much better sim than on release. The truth is it has gone from a rip-off utter joke that didn't work to laughably bad with very limited content. It has been released now for almost four months and we still have game breaking bugs. Yes the fact that sound cuts out in MP is a game breaking bug.

Originally Posted By: WynnTTr
If you're a fan of WW2 aircraft then this game is a must.


Disagree. Unless being a fan of WW2 also means you do not care about historical aircraft performance or an accurate depiction of one of the largest and most impoortant air battles ever fought.

Originally Posted By: WynnTTr
If you're a general flight simmer then there are better games to get and play while this is being improved.


I would say this applies even if you are a WWII flight simmer. After all I am more interested in WWII than WWI or modern era but I find both RoF and DCS A-10C to be much better experience.

Originally Posted By: WynnTTr
I don't think you'll need to worry about spin recovery. Anyone flying those lawnmower crates has to know a thing or two about spin recovery.


Agree

Originally Posted By: WynnTTr
I think the biggest change will be complex engine management and getting used to faster speed and a more powerful engine.


The complex engine management in CloD is not that complex, it is tied to RPM and radiator position only. It is better than the one in IL2 but it is still nothing special, just open radiators/oil coolers to 50% and fly full power until the fuel runs out. The only difference between engine management in CloD and RoF is having to control the prop pitch. I'm not sure if overcooling at high altitude is modelled in CloD, I have never been able to get any of the aircraft anywhere close to thier operational cieling... hmmm another major bug that hasn't been fixed.


Sorry but I disagree with your first comment, the thread you linked to has this as it's question, "Go or No Go", the first 4 people replying didnt bother with the vote as the question was too vague, not a great example of the masses being unhappy, there is no, in between, such as I like the game but feel it still needs a lot of work, so I would say this particular vote is really not valid at all.

Also a post with the title satisfaction survey is going to be swamped by those having issues, while those of us that are a little more satisfied skip straight over it, CoD has a lot of issues that need addressing, but it does seem to be working for all the people I know.


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#3340792 - 07/13/11 03:04 AM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: nuggetx]  
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Originally Posted By: nuggetx
Here is a tip i gave to myself


I went back to RoF


I thought WOP was your baby, why would you need to go back to ROF, I play ROF regularly, I also play CoD not as often owing to numbers online when us Aussies want too play, ROF is now quite polished, but it wasnt at release, same as CoD, I find I can play and support more than one game at a time and if thjey deliver on what is promised that would include World of Planes, oh by the way it's good to see you actually finally decided to purchase CoD, much easier to have an opinion on something when you have tried it.


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#3340812 - 07/13/11 03:55 AM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Pro Tip: Stick to ROF or wait 'till 777 gets into WW2 I have a 2500k and a 2gb 6970 and I get stutters, COD is like the FSX of combat sims and that's probably a big insult to FSX! It's just not there at the moment, I really hope it gets "there" one day but it's got a waaaaay to go. Stick with ROF and maybe come back in a year's time, if CLOD is still around then maybe just maybe it'll be worth your money, if not then I am sure someone else would've filled the void.

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