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#3339460 - 07/11/11 11:25 AM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: 2005AD]  
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Originally Posted By: 2005AD
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Contrary to what ReconNZ said, the silent majority are not enjoying the game, they have most likely moved on or have given up on it in its current state. I suggest if money is tight that you do the same. Sure it has potential, but we can't play potential.


If they're the silent majority then how do you know?


http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3330516/1.html

That thread was conducted right here on SimHQ. I'm going to go ahead and call it valid, next question smile


...and I'm a Mawnkey's hat...

That thread was up for only a couple of hours before being locked - it will primarily have votes from the most compulsive forum visitors (who are on most often).

In addition, the forum was primarily being used to bash Oleg around that time - not to discuss actually playing the sim - so it will tend to attract people who like doing that (rather than flying).

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#3339461 - 07/11/11 11:26 AM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: MIG77]  
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If you fly a Bf109 REALISTIC, meaning cruising over the channel in 3 to 4000 m with 300 km/h to conserve fuel and staying with the Bombers, you HAVE to close the oil-cooler, or you are in for a nasty surprise as your oil-temp will go below 40°C.

#3339479 - 07/11/11 12:15 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Turn around and go back to ROF for a few more weeks/months, this bird is back in the hanger being over hauled right now.

Although to be fair it can do some things werll such as an encounter with a lost handful of bombers/fighters. But by no means does this product (currently) simulate the Battle of Britain

#3339485 - 07/11/11 12:27 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: FieldyHK]  
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[quote=FieldyHK ...........Although to be fair it can do some things werll such as an encounter with a lost handful of bombers/fighters. But by no means does this product (currently) simulate the Battle of Britain [/quote]

Err, what does it simulate, then? The Battle of Midway? The Battle of Hastings?


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#3339489 - 07/11/11 12:47 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: robtek]  
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Originally Posted By: robtek
If you fly a Bf109 REALISTIC, meaning cruising over the channel in 3 to 4000 m with 300 km/h to conserve fuel and staying with the Bombers, you HAVE to close the oil-cooler, or you are in for a nasty surprise as your oil-temp will go below 40°C.


Oh, I do check oil/water temp all the time. It just is that I dont need to change settings that much -> So IMHO saying it is something more complex than in RoF is screcth (where I usually set mixture/radiator more often)


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#3339499 - 07/11/11 01:01 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Avimimus]  
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Originally Posted By: Avimimus
...and I'm a Mawnkey's hat...

That thread was up for only a couple of hours before being locked - it will primarily have votes from the most compulsive forum visitors (who are on most often).

In addition, the forum was primarily being used to bash Oleg around that time - not to discuss actually playing the sim - so it will tend to attract people who like doing that (rather than flying).


I was always tought a couple was two, hmmm now it seems it means almost seven. We could go round and round all day on who voted on that poll. It doesn't change the outcome smile

SimHQ is not the only forum where the general opinion of CloD is mostly negative with a hint of maybe it will get better thrown in. Like it or not CloD has not been well received by the majority of the sim community. Though don't take my word for it, takeyour head out of the sand long enough to go see other forums where people have openly stated they have moved on until (if) it gets fixed.

#3339528 - 07/11/11 01:48 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: ATAG_Snapper]  
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Originally Posted By: Snapper
[quote=FieldyHK ...........Although to be fair it can do some things werll such as an encounter with a lost handful of bombers/fighters. But by no means does this product (currently) simulate the Battle of Britain


Err, what does it simulate, then? The Battle of Midway? The Battle of Hastings? [/quote]

My point being that the game doesnt simulate the battle in any way or form. Something that BOBII managed to do very well.

I hope they can fix not only the bugs but also the actual game part of, a non laughable Single Player element would be a start. But for me its a game breaker until they can throw up 100+ aircraft at any one time. Until then this is no BOB simulation in my humbe opinion.

Or am I wrong and there wasnt that kind of volume of air traffic over souther England in the summer of 1940? If so then I take it all back!

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#3339539 - 07/11/11 02:02 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: FieldyHK]  
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You said "by no means". That is false. Not every air encounter in the Battle of Britain involved hundreds of aircraft. The Single Player missions represent very realistic aerial conflicts that took place July - October, 1940; which BOB2 also faithfully reproduces. Obviously there were huge Luftwaffe armadas launched during the Battle, but not on every single occasion as you infer.

The FMB in CoD is very capable of launching Eagle Day-scope operations, which you conveniently chose to overlook.

"By no means"? Wrong!


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#3339540 - 07/11/11 02:06 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: ATAG_Snapper]  
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Originally Posted By: Snapper
You said "by no means". That is false. Not every air encounter in the Battle of Britain involved hundreds of aircraft. The Single Player missions represent very realistic aerial conflicts that took place July - October, 1940; which BOB2 also faithfully reproduces. Obviously there were huge Luftwaffe armadas launched during the Battle, but not on every single occasion as you infer.

The FMB in CoD is very capable of launching Eagle Day-scope operations, which you conveniently chose to overlook.

"By no means"? Wrong!


Corrected.

However by your definition you have to concede that this means the game only partially succeeds as a simulator of the Battle of Britain, otherwise why not call it an Eagle Day sim?

#3339543 - 07/11/11 02:07 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Do you boys hop out of your respective trenches at Christmas and have a kick about before heading back and shelling seven shades out of each other ?. You make anyone into flight sims look like complete nutcases.

As to RoF and CoD I would agree with the main (on topic) sentitments. As you will know RoF is a great sim and with recent updates is a good well rounded experience. If you don't let your expectations get out of hand CoD can be enjoyable now but it has issues that the developers have confirmed they are dealing with and when they do it should really start to shine. If you aren't the patient kind I would wait before getting CoD as you will become very frustrated very quickly with what needs to be fixed. If you have been with RoF from the start you should be fine as it was a similar story there.

You will find that it is easier to get good performance out of RoF than it is in CoD but it is possible if you are sensible with your settings. Even on medium graphics settings CoD is visually very impressive but if you have anything less than a 1gb GPU I would upgrade as you will have a job on getting it running well.

As an added bonus if you get CoD you will be able to select a place in one of the warring factions round here, the Chimps and the Gorillas, who throw rocks at each other every day.

#3339565 - 07/11/11 02:31 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: FieldyHK]  
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Absolutely, Fieldy, and there I agree with you 100%.

I've been amazed at what the BOB2 community was able to achieve with the original Rowan's BOB - especially with the Campaign. I found it completely immersive from a "Dowding-perspective" watching the incoming hostile raids develop and the responding squadrons scrambling, then with one click of the mouse jumping into the cockpit of a fighter to engage those very same marauding EA. Absolutely brilliant on many levels --and sadly lacking from CoD.

The missing/broken features and bugs in CoD are numerous and well-documented. For all of that, I find CoD immersive from a pilot's viewpoint of strapping into a cockpit and engaging enemy fighters and bombers. Others here have produced action-packed videos of these encounters which convincingly simulate many of the aerial combats that took place during the Battle. What's missing, as you point out, are the hundred-plus big raids which were iconic to The Battle of Britain. I haven't mastered the skills in the Full Mission Builder to reproduce these huge battles, but I'm hoping that those who do will be generous enough to post 'em up once done.

Finally, I apologize for "snapping". I concede you raised a valid and important point re the lack of scope of Cliffs of Dover and I nitpicked on your wording. Let's hope this sim gets finished the way it should be.


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#3339570 - 07/11/11 02:38 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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Agreed Snapper, apology accepted. Ive just been looking at Barfly's video and as much as its beautiful I wish I could either get a copy of that mission or even better yet be able to build these kind of missions with relative ease. I simply dont have the time to invest hours/days in deciphering the mission builder to accomplish this.

Heres hoping though!

#3339719 - 07/11/11 06:37 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: polisheagle1939]  
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but Snapper thats what you do after all its your name:)


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#3339727 - 07/11/11 06:45 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: SsSsSsSsSnake]  
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Originally Posted By: SsSsSsSsSnake
but Snapper thats what you do after all its your name:)


Hah, true enough, Snake, I just have to remember that here we're all on the same side! LOL


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#3339733 - 07/11/11 06:51 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Freycinet]  
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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
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Thats true. Apart from clickable cocpits(selecting magnetos/fuel tanks/etc) engine managemet of CloD is not that different from RoF. RoF WWI era planes just have fixed propellers.


Ehhhhhh? - Propeller pitch, oil cooler, super-charger, interrelated controls, carburettor heating, etc, etc..?

CEM in CoD is an order of magnitude more complex than in RoF.


A lot but not to much if you take time to learn it all not at once but little by little.

It is a fun game and you can make a choise so use the difficulty settings you want.

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#3339736 - 07/11/11 06:53 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: ATAG_Snapper]  
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Originally Posted By: Snapper

Hah, true enough, Snake, I just have to remember that here we're all on the same side! LOL


Don't kid yourself. Are you on the same side as for instance this guy?:

Originally Posted By: 2005AD
The truth is it has gone from a rip-off utter joke that didn't work to laughably bad with very limited content.


Some people hate the sim with a vengeance and just have to come and post about it constantly. It is their reason for being.


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#3339768 - 07/11/11 07:34 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Freycinet]  
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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
Originally Posted By: Snapper

Hah, true enough, Snake, I just have to remember that here we're all on the same side! LOL


Don't kid yourself. Are you on the same side as for instance this guy?:

Originally Posted By: 2005AD
The truth is it has gone from a rip-off utter joke that didn't work to laughably bad with very limited content.


Some people hate the sim with a vengeance and just have to come and post about it constantly. It is their reason for being.


Frey, without pretending that I speak for anyone else, I think that he did mean exactly that. Even the most 'negative' people here are people who love aviation sims, hence we are all on the same side. Everyone here I'm sure would love this thing to work perfectly and 'as promised'. There are differences of opinion about what is acceptable and what is fun, also 'glass half full' people and 'glass half empty' ones too. Just live with the fact that not everyone is going to have the same opinion, or outlook as yourself and I think you'd have a lot more fun here!
Regards, Ben. (not that one!) cheers


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#3339828 - 07/11/11 08:59 PM Re: Tips for someone coming from ROF [Re: Bokononist]  
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That pretty much sums up my thoughts, Bokononist. Life is too short. Enjoy the ride.


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Originally Posted By: Bokononist

Just live with the fact that not everyone is going to have the same opinion, or outlook as yourself and I think you'd have a lot more fun here!
Regards, Ben. (not that one!) cheers


I cannot have much more fun than I already do, including actually having fun with the sim, as opposed to those poor sods who #%&*$# and moan and lecture us all about The Truth of how terrible it is.

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