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#3335268 - 07/05/11 04:02 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. *** [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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I guess its a mindset, i don't think flying through trees is realistic so i don't do it. i guess others feel different.

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#3335462 - 07/05/11 07:30 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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Originally Posted By: BKHZ_Furbs
I guess its a mindset, i don't think flying through trees is realistic so i don't do it. i guess others feel different.


It's called "gamesmanship" or "win at all costs". Personally I fly MP for the historical value and derive satisfaction from using tactics and ACM authentic to the period. I'd get great satisfaction from achieving one kill this way, and no satisfaction whatsoever from boosting my score by exploiting a flaw in the game to gain advantage over an opponent - even if that opponent had same access to this particular flaw.

Others feel differently - that the arena is the same for everyone and all's fair in order to win.

Neither is "more right" than the other in the strictest sense unless the rules are clearly laid out beforehand, but the two camps don't always play well together, anyway.


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#3335477 - 07/05/11 07:47 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: EagleEye[GER]]  
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Originally Posted By: EagleEye[GER

Why you call it cheating? If the game allow to fly trough trees why should one not do it? Isn`t MP gaming on public servers about to look aft advantages you can get to win against youre opposer? If you don`t follow him or at least to try to track him until he is free of trees it`s your problem, isn`t it? I don`t want to offend you, really, thats just my view.


If this was COD, as in call of duty, I could accept that, but i expect a more gamesmanship type attitude from Flight simmers. at least that's the way it used to be. Although looking at this forum lately, those days may be gone.

#3335586 - 07/05/11 10:30 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: Slingn]  
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Originally Posted By: Slingn
Originally Posted By: EagleEye[GER

Why you call it cheating? If the game allow to fly trough trees why should one not do it? Isn`t MP gaming on public servers about to look aft advantages you can get to win against youre opposer? If you don`t follow him or at least to try to track him until he is free of trees it`s your problem, isn`t it? I don`t want to offend you, really, thats just my view.


If this was COD, as in call of duty, I could accept that, but i expect a more gamesmanship type attitude from Flight simmers. at least that's the way it used to be. Although looking at this forum lately, those days may be gone.


Hmmm Well I consider it very gamey and unfair. At best it is exploiting a defect in the game to get an unfair

advantage. Seems kinda like cheating to me. Odd thing is in original IL2FB if even touch the trees you blow up.

Even "invisible trees" are there that will destroy you.. That is, areas just above the treetops that are transparent,

but the game engine says its still trees. I have crashed several times into them trying to elude or manuver.

One of the reasons I hate low altitude dogfights, that and also its almost impossible to recover from a stall and

also impossible to bail out and survive.

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#3335596 - 07/05/11 10:46 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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In the nearer term, if this is going to become a common thing on servers, I recommend putting a name to it, something derogatory to apply to people who do this. Something foolish sounding. Maybe something to do with squirrels. Everybody hates squirrels, right? Especially flying squirrels. Rats with wings, those are.

#3335621 - 07/05/11 11:36 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: Trooper117]  
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Originally Posted By: TROOPER117
We all know there are dicks out there that will exploit any option in the game to cheat mate.. sad isn't it. frown


This is why I don't play M/P

#3335624 - 07/05/11 11:42 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: Tree]  
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Originally Posted By: Tree
Well I said this would happen, but many refused to believe me, Ive seen it many times myself already, I guess we cant call it a sim if you can fly through Tree's, hell i dont think you can even do that in WOP. Game on the shelf for me at the moment its beyond fixing IMHO.


makes me wonder if one can land in a forest and hide in there then take off and attack people? biggrin

#3335628 - 07/05/11 11:47 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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Yes, erm, ahem, dicks that do anything to win, like rigging races, or tricking poor pigeons.


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#3335646 - 07/06/11 12:38 AM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: EagleEye[GER]]  
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Spoken like a true arcade gamer smile.

I think it takes a lot away from the sim. It is afterall designed to be about realism with real world tactics. Errors in coding and exploits make me think of the pacman level that allowed a wall to be permeable. It's the designers responsibility to design what they are claiming to deliver. But their hands are way too full to deal with trees. They still can't figure out jitters and full screen mode. That's a shame. This game will be a masterpiece - in 2017 smile

#3335706 - 07/06/11 02:45 AM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: EagleEye[GER]]  
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Originally Posted By: EagleEye[GER

Why you call it cheating?


Because it is. No amount of sugar coated B.S. will change that. Someone would have to be pretty lame to use an exploit like that. It's on the same level as 'glitching' in an FPS game. Lame, low skill, and shows the general moral character of the perpetrator (read as 'douche-bag').

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#3335727 - 07/06/11 03:10 AM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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Perhaps if the weather was finished and installed we could cheat using clouds instead.

#3335899 - 07/06/11 12:08 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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I would not use this tactics by myself, just to make this clear. Also avoiding trees in EDs games... But I would take it with a smile if someone would escape me with flying through trees. I just don`t take this to seriously and it doesn`t matters to me if I have zero kills because of this.
MG is the only one who we should blame for making this happen. Speedtree (so awesome it is) is a performance killer and I wondered back then that they will use it for CoD. My only hope was that they do some magic to it. I was totaly shocked when I read that these are not collidable...and probably will not until everyone have super computers.

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#3335916 - 07/06/11 12:44 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: Nodak01]  
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Originally Posted By: Nodak01
Perhaps if the weather was finished and installed we could cheat using clouds instead.


That would be nice! Hopefully soon, too. I'd be the first one to dive into a cloud if things got "too hot" for me!


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#3335921 - 07/06/11 12:50 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: EagleEye[GER]]  
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No worries, EagleEye. I like the earlier suggestion by RS_Col to randomly make a small percentage of trees as hard objects. This would help preserve frame rates yet make flying through trees a more realistically hazardous escape tactic.


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#3336155 - 07/06/11 07:22 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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More irrefutable proof that COD is an EPIC FAILURE. The most lenient arcade flyer doesn't permit flying through trees. What a joke.


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#3336168 - 07/06/11 07:34 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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I am really looking forward to the NA release despite this failing. There is no one flying when I'm online.



#3336200 - 07/06/11 08:07 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: bisher]  
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I am really looking forward to the NA release despite this failing. There is no one flying when I'm online.


Roger that, Bish. The rest of the world has gone to bed by the time North America has washed the supper dishes and put the kids to bed!


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Even Freycinet must admit that any Tree must be insurmountable. exitstageleft

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#3336225 - 07/06/11 08:27 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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#3336252 - 07/06/11 09:06 PM Re: Well...we said it would be a problem. [Re: EagleEye[GER]]  
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[quote=EagleEye[GER Speedtree (so awesome it is) is a performance killer and I wondered back then that they will use it for CoD. My only hope was that they do some magic to it. I was totaly shocked when I read that these are not collidable...and probably will not until everyone have super computers. [/quote]

If thats true all may well be lost nope


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