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#3322833 - 06/20/11 03:12 AM Albatros D.III of Werner Voss  
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Decided to post this here for anyone that didn't see it over at the RoF forum.

Albatros D.III of Werner Voss, Jasta 5, June 1917



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#3322902 - 06/20/11 06:27 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Gorgeous, I'll be looking for the skin poll. Thank you!

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#3322920 - 06/20/11 07:31 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Great skin!

#3322980 - 06/20/11 10:36 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Gunloon]  
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Originally Posted By: Gunloon
Gorgeous, I'll be looking for the skin poll. Thank you!

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Just look for it in the next update. wink


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#3323005 - 06/20/11 11:38 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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The artistic and technical talent that's exhibited on this site constantly amazes me!

I built a model of the Voss Alb. when I was a kid-which was a looooooooooooooooooong time ago! biggrin

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#3323006 - 06/20/11 11:39 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Very, very nice!


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#3323438 - 06/20/11 08:23 PM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Hi Graf it's me your Nemesis! yep darkcloud
You have restricted my comments at the official RoF site Forum, but I've found you here as well! WinkNGrin
Is there a slight outline on that swastika and possibly on the wreath leaves, or my eyes are fooling me and is just a contrast effect between lighter and darker neighbouring colors?



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#3323460 - 06/20/11 08:43 PM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Will you go away! haha

I saw this as well but the photo I had wasn't as clear as this one. Well..guess I'll go back and makes some changes. wink

Thanks bud. biggrin


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#3323479 - 06/20/11 09:03 PM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Always trying to help, you know that!
I have another little observation to make...
The wheel cover seems to be of different shade from that of the red heart...
This shade difference may well be just dust?
I remembered having in my references a profile by JFM that suggests this combination:



I hope Jim will see it and make a comment on this matter as well...

PS: you have changed the three color sequence on the top wing from the previous version, shifting the reddish brown to the side.
Is there a particular reason for that change?

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#3323483 - 06/20/11 09:10 PM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Damn - with all of these great minds aboard - Graf's Voss and Jasta 11 skins will end up being the most accurate in sim history.

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#3323498 - 06/20/11 09:40 PM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Yeah, this is just insane. WTG guys!


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#3323593 - 06/21/11 12:29 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: elephant]  
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Originally Posted By: elephant_
Always trying to help, you know that!
I have another little observation to make...
The wheel cover seems to be of different shade from that of the red heart...
This shade difference may well be just dust?
I remembered having in my references a profile by JFM that suggests this combination:



I hope Jim will see it and make a comment on this matter as well...

PS: you have changed the three color sequence on the top wing from the previous version, shifting the reddish brown to the side.
Is there a particular reason for that change?


I cannot remember why I changed the sequence but I do know I wouldn't have without just reason. wink

I'll look into the wheel covers and spinner colors. I've seen this profile as well and initially had it in these colors.



Anyone able to tell me what other significant change I've made to this plane to make it resemble a Johannisthal D.III? wink


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#3323602 - 06/21/11 12:38 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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#3323611 - 06/21/11 12:48 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Per DSA:

The Albatrios Werke painted all the Alb.D.III machines from serial number D.1910 through D.2309/17 in a three color camouflage of pale green, dark green and venetian red(rust brown) on the upper surfaces. The fuselage and vertical fins were shellacked and varnished resulting in a straw yellow color. The cowlings and struts were light grey tinged green. The under sides of the wings, tailplane and wheel covers were [painted light sky blue. Ltn. Voss's Alb.D.III was an early machine with the central radiator and half round foot step, which places his machine between D.1910/17 and D2036/17. On Voss's machine the spinner and wheel covers were painted black. The upper wing, left to right( from the cockpit) was venetian, dark green and pale green with white stripes on the upper surface of the wing, one rib bay inboard from the aileron on both sides of the wing were white stripes. The lower wing upper surface was painted, left panel, dark green, venetian red, pale green. right panel, inboard dark green, pale green. the entire empennage was white with a narrow black band around the fuselage, just forward of the white empennage.


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#3323627 - 06/21/11 01:04 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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I'd leave it alone, because you did a terrific job, but the more I look at the photo, the more I think that the outline we are seeing on the fuselage swastika, wasn't really there on the original airplane.
If you really look closely, parts of the of the swastika don't have it. Also, look at the bottom of the black cross. Appears to have a line there, too. But we know that can't be right.
Look at the right side of the heart. Appears to be a line there, too.
My guess is that this may have been retouching done to bring the markings out. Notice how you loose sight of the top part of the cross, in the sun? Maybe the photographer, or whoever developed the film, felt that you couldn't see some of the markings well enough, and so he outlined them. Just guessing, though.


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#3323631 - 06/21/11 01:09 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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You have changed the footstep, but beware, not all the Johannisthal machines have rounded footstep, the square one was used as well.
You should double check your reference pics before making the change, especially on the particular plane.
I guess the rounded one was used earlier? to be sure you have to compare batch numbers...
I haven't checked any reference, (too late night at the moment),
but I have handy those pics I posted on the official Forum about the weights tables, showing square footsteps:





More tommorow, time to bed now...


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#3323638 - 06/21/11 01:20 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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BTW, I've got BLOWHARD's RGB values from the Targetware template, for the 3 tone upper camo...

Light Green = 116/123/102
Dark Green = 86/89/58
Brown = 126/91/84

You can put them to the test...

Yet another Johanninsthal one, (D.2140/16), with square footstep.




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#3323775 - 06/21/11 06:39 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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DSA states Voss' D.III had the early Johannisthal footstep and the colors below. wink



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#3323812 - 06/21/11 08:00 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Originally Posted By: Graf
Anyone able to tell me what other significant change I've made to this plane to make it resemble a Johannisthal D.III? wink


You changed the shape of the rudder?

#3323820 - 06/21/11 08:16 AM Re: Albatros D.III of Werner Voss [Re: Graf]  
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Looks Gorgeous! thumbsup

I was trying to find out about the footstep but didn't find anything definitive...
The pic that was the most probable candidate in giving some definite proof is obscured!
I think I see a rectangular shape forming up, in the obscured area, but my eyes really hurt!



I found this one too:



It is utterly confusing about the spinner and the wheel covers coloring...
They well could be painted red or black...? (Jasta 2 had black spinners).
The inner struts and landing gear also looks darker than the V struts.
I haven't seen anywhere though that darkened section on the port V strut you're depicting!
There is not there in any of the pics.

For last I saved a great coloring job I found showing Voss Family meeting MvR!
Again no dark section on the V strut is shown.





The controversy of what color is what and I see something that you are missing, interpreting the lighting and contrast on an old b/w photo will never end...
So make your own decisions and present your own version!

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