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#3320810 - 06/17/11 08:34 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Hello,
I've been playing the SAM sim for some time, getting the hang of it.
I managed to shoot down a B-52 in the Vietnam scenario.
Is there any way to distinguish between targets (on the P-18 screen, for example).
I would like to know what I'm shooting at, if it's a B-52 or another type of aircraft.

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#3320951 - 06/17/11 01:34 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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Is there any way to distinguish between targets (on the P-18 screen, for example).
I would like to know what I'm shooting at, if it's a B-52 or another type of aircraft.


Your options for non cooperating target recognition is pretty limited.
nope

In theory, comparing the plotting board to the P18 image is according to the book.
(Target type "8" on the plotting board is B52, "3" everybody else)

Another way is using our EW knowledge, due to physics, jamming metric wavelength radar is pretty space consuming.
(In short, only B52, or specialized EW aircraft could jam it. Fighters cannot.)
yep


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3320983 - 06/17/11 02:07 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thanks for the interesting remarks.
I'd say the targets are non cooperating, some of them even fired Shrikes at me!

#3321113 - 06/17/11 05:10 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I tried to shoot down an RS-2US practice target in Ustka and it seems that the first target, 1101 just stays on the ground (speed 0, altitude 0). I'm also not sure if everything's ok with 1102, the speed readout could be wrong as well.
A bug? Does anybody have a similar problem?

#3321125 - 06/17/11 05:39 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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1101 is a Polish warship, safeguarding the firing range.

1102 is a MiG-21 (Fishbed) fighter, that first fly a parallel path than turns on the SAM battery.
At about 25~30km range, it launches an RS-2US (AA-1 Alkali) short range Air-to-Air missile towards us.

To safeguard the MiG, the missiles has self destruct timers, that blows up over 20km range.

Good Polish article about Ustka:
http://infowsparcie.net/wria/o_autorze/poligony.html#poligon02

Last edited by Hpasp; 06/17/11 05:40 PM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3321141 - 06/17/11 05:57 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thanks Hpasp, for the explanation and the link!
Maybe it would be useful to add a short briefing to the scenario to avoid confusion in the future?

#3321545 - 06/18/11 06:15 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Nice! Now i know what was that UFO LOL
Can't wait for the next version and the Vietnamese Dvina. I never quite got a hang of the SA-5, it feels like operating a nuclear reactor (and i have played nuclear reactor sims...) No question that it's a system that requires elite operators. Personally i can't wait until you include the Kub (not Buk), after all it is long compromised. But i'm sure you have enough work for now, thanks again for the amazing free game.

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#3321571 - 06/18/11 07:28 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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You played a nuclear reactor sim? And I used to think that air traffic control sims were hardcore... smile

As regards the SA-5, it helps if you print the manual and select a big, slow, fat plane as your target.
Of course it takes more to master the system, but at least you can shoot down something.

#3321646 - 06/18/11 11:56 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3321704 - 06/18/11 01:57 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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KRUG (SA-4B) IPP indicator with ground clutter...



Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3321715 - 06/18/11 02:16 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Amidkor]  
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Very nice videos, now everybody can imagine the outside of the SAM Simulator cabin...
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3321717 - 06/18/11 02:21 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Nice work Hpasp, I will surely buy... err download the next version! smile

#3321820 - 06/18/11 04:44 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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KRUG (SA-4B) range indicator with ground clutter...


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3322277 - 06/19/11 08:16 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Some SA-2 photos taken at the musem in Kolobrzeg, in 2008.








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#3322365 - 06/19/11 01:37 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Question of the week...
... what is the type of missile on the launcher?
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Last edited by Hpasp; 06/19/11 02:47 PM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3322403 - 06/19/11 03:09 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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SAM Simulator Version: 0.922 will be released end of next week.

Including NASA digital terrain model (90m horizontal resolution), to simulate realistic ground clutter.
Expanded documentation.
Adding the possibility to select between more missile types for a system.
These missiles will fly within 1% of real firing range data.
V-755 20DSU and V-759 5Ya23 for the Volhov.
V-601P 5V27U and V-601PD 5V27D for the Neva.
Will support any Monitor resolution at or above 1280x1024.

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Last edited by Hpasp; 06/19/11 03:40 PM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3322473 - 06/19/11 05:25 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Great, looking forward to the new version!

#3322536 - 06/19/11 06:54 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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Quote:
Air Traffic sims

I've never tried that, but i would sure like to mod one into a (finally civilian-playable) Ground-Control-Intercept game, because it's more fun to shoot them down. I'll try printing the manual though.

For the nuke sim: acme-nuclear.com
Downloaded in the Fukushima aftermath lol

@ New Version
Now that is going to be some new challenge! Can't wait to download!

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#3322581 - 06/19/11 07:44 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: wasserfall]  
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@ Wasserfall
Thanks for the link.
As regards ATC sims, you can try giving pilots false instructions to make them crash into the ground smile

With the SA-5, first try the IADS-assisted acquisition (page 20), then move to page 43 - just for starters.
Have fun! smile

#3322625 - 06/19/11 08:58 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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This one in Kolobrzeg... 20D / 20DSU?

Last edited by vintorez; 06/20/11 08:43 AM.
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