I bought RoF on promise of the career mode. That promise was fulfilled.

I am so far not planning to buy CoD for lack of that same promise/mode.

Sorry, but you are totally wrong. Go back and check the reviews on FSX and ROF when they were first released. You won't find anything, ANYTHING, like the 45% given COD by Andy MaHood, of PC Gamer, the most respected sim reviewer for the last 20 years, or by any other professional reviewer. Fanboys trying to equate first release of COD to first release of any other prominent sim just sound desperate to defend the indefensible.

I repeat, the fact that SimHQ, the most trusted sim site on the entire Internet, refuses to review COD until the 10th or so patch, tells you how bad COD really is.

If you have so many other great sims to play, why waste time posting in the CloD forum?

You're right. I keep looking at letting off those eight machine guns on the Spitfire in RoF and FSX and they just don't work for me like they should.

Does World of Tanks have a better Spitfire too?

I've lost count on how many times I've read this, but didn't SimHQ say they would review it when they released it in the USA?

Does everything have to be a conspiracy? Occam's Razor and all that...

Luthier said they had plans for a campaign (i.e. a design doc etc) but had to cut it out of scope. That sounds like one day it is planned for release (goodness knows when, could take 2 years like RoF?).

Isn't that a similar level of 'promise' that RoF gave when they first released, or is that different?

Put another way, when did you buy RoF and what date were you given for the RoF campaign promise?

Did this all come to you in a dream? ROF was slated on release, not sure if there were many reviews but general consensus was not good, much the same complaints as we see with CoD now.

Here is one I found I won't name anyone, as this was a pretty common theme "You'll find Zap that 90% of the RoF apologists have suddenly disappeared.

Take it from someone who was accused of being a troll on a.n.other forum for daring to question how great RoF is in its current form.Even the fanboi's are struggling with this one. "

As for reviews this is the conclusion of sim hq's

Closing Thoughts

Rise of Flight can’t really be given a blanket sort of rating or recommendation, in my opinion, as it really depends on what one is into or what one is looking for.

Non-flight simulation person...

I’d give it a pass, to be honest. It’s flight sim geek territory, with a frustrating separate setup and options GUI, an FM / DM that really begs for “full difficulty,” and needs the full flight sim geek hardware trifecta (TrackIR / HOTAS / Pedals) to enjoy. If the IL-2 Series didn’t turn you into one of us, Rise of Flight will only teach you to hate us.

General flight simulation person...

You probably should buy it. Tweak time is right up there with sims that have more advanced command options, even though the only gauge you’ll have on some aircraft is a tachometer. The FM / DM / AI are strong enough to keep you at it with the four included flyable aircraft for several goes at each of the single missions and a campaign or two, making the price of admission well worth the enjoyment. Even if it ultimately turns out that you put it down after two or three weeks, it’s money well spent.

WWI flight simulation person...

You have to buy it. The planes really are alive in the air, and the visceral joy of wind and wire isn’t to be missed. You’ll instantly compare it to every other WWI or WWII flight simulation you’ve ever owned and spot what’s missing, but there’s a lot here that the others didn’t have as well. Heck, Rowan’s Flying Corps only had six flyables (seven in the Gold Edition) with four campaigns, and you’ve probably got the box sitting on the shelf, same as me. You won’t fly Rise of Flight every day, but you will fly it enough to surprise yourself

hardly rave reviews when you consider this was written nearly 4 months after release

Its a simple case of COD being released before it was finished. Yes you paid full price and didn't know the state the game before you bought it. ROF was also released before it was finished and they are still adding features that should have been there from the start.

Paying full price shouldn't be a problem with anyone with an ounce of foresight. Your money has saved the new IL-2 series for the time being. I'm sure most of us would like to see Maddox games survive and finish COD and add further theaters of war. There is simply no other WW2 combat sim alternative other than flying the original IL-2 series for another ten years.

One of the moderators wrote to you less than a month ago that "Here is a good idea for you Plainsman. If you think this site is a shill for some gaming company then go away and don't come back. Either that or go out and buy Dart a copy of the game. Don't come in here and accuse us of collusion with gaming companies. I have explained why we haven't reviewed it yet. Accuse us of this again and you can go bye bye for good."

- Seems you almost WANT to be banned...

IL2 original series, ROF or SFX needed a big PC for their period of release. Maybe at that moment you did have a new PC that could play it without troubles. Now I have a new PC! One year old and could play COD from the box. This is what I call evolution.
It is not the first time I see so many negative reviews for a game untested in real conditions. Thousand different PC nearly one for each player all could not be satisfied.
One of you did remember me that SFX is unplayable without "accelerator" but this did become availed only a year or two after the first release of the game.
Never also compare this simulation with an other non-simulation game, ex. Arma2 vs. SFX. Even if there are planes in Arma2 they are not the center of the game. The game is not made to be a flight simulation! Do you compare apples and oranges?
Let us compare CFS3 with IL2, no IL2 does win so easily! Maybe ROF with IL2? Or COD? (I do not put IL2 the original series with COD they are different games.)
Do you forget that in ROF they completely missed Paris! It should be on the map but is not!

Appreciate what you have and play what you like not what other think of it.

Freycinet I am sure the moderators can read these things themselves, nobody likes a grass, you trying constantly to get people banned whom you disagree with does little for your already poor reputation.

But tree, comparing to your reputation his is golden :-D

Was thinking the same about St Pauls in London.

Well i have had some running battles on here, and I have been called some interesting names and I have upset my fair share of forum users, but i have never ever reported a post or tried to get anyone a ban.

C'mon chaps, let's calm down eh?
We are all passionate about our games, and most will try to defend them, but it's not worth getting all 'steamed' up (pun) about it.
I keep saying this.. we all love aviation, otherwise we wouldn't be on here, so straight away we have a common bond!
Now, kiss and make up all of you

Hehe Trooper. No doubt this thread will continue another 40 pages, and like CloD after 12 more patches, three years and 20 new flyable planes, perhaps we will finally have something good. Right now, long ways to go.

Also worth mentioning... the psychological effect of hitting 600 kph. Getting to use fun planes in IL2 that dive at 870 kph and precede in level flight at 600 kph ... and then going back to 1940/41 at 430 kph, feels... well, ...like a green tea diet when the McDonalds is across the street.

Wouldn't you be annoyed, if you ran this site, to have the same member again and again insinuating that you are in the pocket of a software company?

Plainsman knows very well what he has been told by the moderators, but he obviously still feels compelled to say that they are all bought out:



- Of course I don't imagine Tree to be able to see anything wrong with that. It is right down his alley.

Damn' , could you use some other restaurant than McDonalds as a metaphor for the goodness of flying at 800 kmph?

I don't think you'd like RoF then.

I'm sure the single player stats are "logged" by Steam, but they aren't added to the top 100 most played games on Steam. If you don't believe me, ask this very same question on the Steam forums and be prepared to be educated.