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#3308943 - 06/02/11 02:04 AM RC airplane & full scale collide - video  
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There must have been some major mix-up to let something like that happen ! What were they thinking?
Unbelievably silly.

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BEWARE: colourful language (english) and spelling :-(

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#3308966 - 06/02/11 03:03 AM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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Not enough background info on the event and coordiation to speak about who was at fault. But the man with the RC airplane seemed more worried about his toy than the human life in the real airplane. Worry about your toy once the real person is down and safe. I was troubled by his lack of concern about another persons life.


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#3308981 - 06/02/11 03:31 AM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: oldgrognard]  
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This video has been around a while. Happened sometime last year. You can google and find more info on it.

IIRC, it was some kind of RC meet at an uncontrolled airfield. They didn't officially close the runway for the RC event, and the guy with the handheld radio (who walks into frame right before the collision) is the air boss communicating with aircraft in the area. The biplane decided to do a pass without doing clearing it with the air boss, and boom. So the RC event organizers and the biplane pilot were really both at fault, though I don't think either actually broke any laws or regs.

#3309000 - 06/02/11 03:57 AM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted By: oldgrognard
Not enough background info on the event and coordiation to speak about who was at fault. But the man with the RC airplane seemed more worried about his toy than the human life in the real airplane. Worry about your toy once the real person is down and safe. I was troubled by his lack of concern about another persons life.

In the beginning after the collision he seemed pretty concerned to me. He even said "I could have killed the pilot." His tone changed after the air boss said the plane was on the ground, he commented on 2k and 8k gone.


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#3309237 - 06/02/11 02:43 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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how can you not see something that big?


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#3309259 - 06/02/11 03:03 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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What was the R/C plane guy even doing at the start? It was like his plane was nose-up and hovering! Looked like a stupid prank to me, what the R/C guy was doing. Are you even supposed to do that with an R/C plane? Can they do that without modification?

#3309265 - 06/02/11 03:09 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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that's called prop-hanging. A common trick for high performance aerobatic rc airplane. That rc model is probably equipped with a 100cc gas engine, so power-to-weight ratio is all in power's favour !
No mod needed, just good throttle, elevator and rudder coordination.

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#3309268 - 06/02/11 03:10 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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Originally Posted By: Sluggish Controls
No mod needed, just good throttle, elevator and rudder coordination.


Given your username here, it wasn't you in that video then!? biggrin

#3309287 - 06/02/11 03:34 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted By: oldgrognard
worried about his toy than the human life in the real airplane.


Yeah hope he's ok and lands so you can kill him when he gets out biggrin

#3309348 - 06/02/11 04:37 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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First blush - this is why the FAA is trying to impose draconian restrictions on RC aircraft.

Second thought - stupid pilot. He was running smoke, which means he was showing off and violated a lot of rules:

1) Pay attention to the local notes for the airfield.
2) Didn't see the people STANDING ON THE RUNWAY? Really? 500 feet from any person or structure, numbnuts.
3) Uncontrolled airspace does not equal Anarchy Airspace. I'm learning to hate a certain class of pilots who seem to think it is.


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#3309380 - 06/02/11 05:05 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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That's why the reg specifies people and structures - deer are zoomable!

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#3309439 - 06/02/11 06:21 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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Pilot disobeyed instruction, its his fault. The RC guy was not at fault. That said the '8000$' is an overestimate. The airframe on the plane is probably 2-3000$ (assuming its a really good one), the engine is under 1000. The electronics will all be retrieveable and reusable.


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#3309516 - 06/02/11 08:00 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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There was obviously a show going on at the airport, which should have caused the Pitts pilot to be extra vigilant. He sure wasn't. That RC plane was half the size of a real one, so don't know how the Hell he missed it. He's got some explaining to do. The RC pilot was doing nothing wrong. There was an RC airplane meet ,going on, so you should expect that RC planes are going to be flying. Even as a pilot, myself, I'm gonna have to say this goes 100% on the Pitts flyer.
There's no way he can claim he was going to land and had to do a go- around, either. He was pulling smoke, so had no intention to land. And besides, there were people practically ON the runway. Don't know what he was thinking. Then again, he obviously wasn't.


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#3309584 - 06/02/11 10:00 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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#3309591 - 06/02/11 10:03 PM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Wireman]  
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Originally Posted By: Wireman
Actually you may descend below the minimum safe altitude if you are in position to make a safe landing as per the reg. So, at some point he could argue the safe landing was no longer an option and a go around was necessary. He was still a penis maximus, but small airports are full of them on weekends. duck



Did that guy look even remotely like he was making a landing approach?

And the minimum altitude is both "that which allows for a safe (ememergency) landing" with the caveat of 500 from any building or person.

Zoom the lake with no boaters. Zoom an empty field. It might not be wise, but it's legal.

Zoom a group of people and you're flying both unsafely and illegally.

If he would have crashed after hitting the RC plane and killed people, think the NTSB and FAA would shrug and say he was within the letter of the rules?

He should have his ticket pulled for at least six months and a hefty fine thrown at him for such reckless behavior.

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#3309682 - 06/03/11 12:46 AM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted By: oldgrognard
Not enough background info on the event and coordiation to speak about who was at fault. But the man with the RC airplane seemed more worried about his toy than the human life in the real airplane. Worry about your toy once the real person is down and safe. I was troubled by his lack of concern about another persons life.

He was concerned up till he heard the plane was down. Thats when he got pissed. Looks like poor control of the airfield and poor pilot choice.

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Originally Posted By: Wireman
You would never get that without "careless" thrown in and even then it hardly raises more than a 30 day suspension and more likely negotiated down to a 10 day one. thumbsup


I'd lobby for no suspension. After all..if Senator Inhofe can willfully land on a closed runway without any certificate action then we should all be able to get away with anything.

As for the accident in the video..I don't know if that was a tower controlled field or not. Just because some yahoo with a handheld receiver is giving instructions doesn't mean that he is an air traffic controller.



#3309905 - 06/03/11 07:36 AM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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That is for a time I said okay, but when I heard about runaway accident by silly mistake by ground staff makes me fired up. And worst part is blaming for this issue on pilot,,, run out the words...

#3309936 - 06/03/11 10:47 AM Re: RC airplane & full scale collide - video [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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Apparently, the RC aircraft strayed out of the 'box' they were assigned, when he started to go from vertical to horizontal flight, which put him over the active runway, which they were not suppose to enter. The NTSB assigned blame to the RC controller.
We have a large RC show in my area every year with similar restrictions. They don't close the airport, so are very strict about RC pilots staying in the assigned control box. A Notice To Airmen is always posted ahead of time.


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