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#3301010 - 05/22/11 05:05 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Cat]  
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The question is getting more complex as we deep down...
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The first Soviet SAM system, that was deployed in fixed sites around Moscow, the S-25 Berkut (SA-1 Guild) was a true multichannel system.
One battery could scan a fixed sector, track 20 targets in it, and guide one missile per target (altogether 20) parallel.

The second system, that was to be deployed around Leningrad, the S-50 Dal (SA-5 Griffon) was also planned to be a true multichannel system.
Each battery could scan 360deg sector, track 10 targets, and guide one missile per target (altogether 10) parallel.
As we know, they run into serious trouble designing the self guiding active head of the 5V11 missile, and the project failed.

From this point, till 1979, the introduction of the S-300PT Birusa (SA-10A Grumble) system there were no Soviet multichannel* systems.

The S-300PS Volhov M6 (SA-10B Grumble) can track 6 targets, and guide two missiles per target (altogether 12) parallel.

*In a sense, the SA-5A/B/C Gammon system is multichannel, as one site has 2~5 single channel fire control radar, so one site can track 2~5 target and launch six missile per target (altogether 12~30) parallel.
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#3301174 - 05/22/11 10:15 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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It was very helpful, Cat.
But my question was exactly the same that Hpasp replied. In many web articles i read stuff like: "SA-X was able to track up to Y targets..."
By that, we can suppose that the author meant that the system was able to see as many as Y targets. So it's a lie. It's also a lie if he's talking about a TWS method...

But thanks, your reply was very informative about the TWS history in soviet/russian systems, and the complementation given by Hpasp made all the information perfect.

TY

#3301586 - 05/23/11 03:08 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Real life S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B) shot...



...and the SAM Simulator


"Realistic to the Switch"
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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#3302632 - 05/24/11 06:32 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Flightly off topic.
S300 failure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRHK8dvbwWA&feature=player_embedded


This thing has a very long burning motor.

#3302643 - 05/24/11 06:47 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Sim]  
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This thing has a very long burning motor.

It was a faulty one, it should not burn more than 12s, and exceeding Mach6.
(Just check the first one.)


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3306265 - 05/29/11 09:09 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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New tutorial videos are available from Matthew Barry, describing the shooting of Jamming targets with the 2K11 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) system.
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3308143 - 06/01/11 01:24 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Strela, Tunguska, TOR - many photos:
http://twower.livejournal.com/555316.html

#3309513 - 06/02/11 07:58 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Familiar fire control radars at the Fleet...
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3313618 - 06/08/11 11:19 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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SAM Simulator June update on the progress of development...

Currently the Digital Elevation Mesh implementation is ongoing, to simulate realistic ground clutter.

Volhov: 100% ready, only the translation of the "V2" documentation is ongoing.
Neva: 100% ready, only the translation of the "V2" documentation is ongoing.
KRUG: 20% ready, code writing is ongoing.

As two systems are ready, I will release the new version (with or without the KRUG-SDC) before my summer holiday, probably in July.
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3314106 - 06/08/11 08:17 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Nice. Thanks.

#3314474 - 06/09/11 06:15 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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S-75 "memorial" in my town.




#3314566 - 06/09/11 10:59 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Amidkor]  
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Nice, it seems to be a Dvina or Desna V-750V/VN missile to me.
I assume that this "weight model" is from a unit that was located beside Your city...
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3314645 - 06/09/11 01:21 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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None. Near my city never had the positions of S-75. That why i put "memorial" in quotes.

This missile is located in a park among other weapons of the 50-60's(T-55, BTR-70, L-29).
It's park called "Victory Park". And It means "victory in WW2"!
But that is absurd. This park is absurd. Stupidity of the local authorities.
But I'm grateful them for the missile =)

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#3314658 - 06/09/11 01:42 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Amidkor]  
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None. Near my city never had the positions of S-75.

I would be surprised.
Most of the cities in Ex Soviet Union had...


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3314844 - 06/09/11 05:31 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Amidkor]  
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Originally Posted By: Amidkor
This park is absurd. Stupidity of the local authorities.

God bless your local authorities! In my location the same park is just wiped out. There are no tanks, SPGs, cannons, APCs, MLRs etc anymore. There is a parking place instead. So be happy you can show all this things to you children live, not on youtube. $-)

#3315235 - 06/10/11 03:14 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Amidkor]  
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Originally Posted By: Amidkor
None. Near my city never had the positions of S-75. That why i put "memorial" in quotes.

This missile is located in a park among other weapons of the 50-60's(T-55, BTR-70, L-29).
It's park called "Victory Park". And It means "victory in WW2"!
But that is absurd. This park is absurd. Stupidity of the local authorities.
But I'm grateful them for the missile =)


Allow me to join the side that says "Good for your authorities!" It is fun, and it is part of history. Why do you not like the idea?

#3315369 - 06/10/11 09:19 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Air Defense Museum in Zsmbk, Hungary



Military Museum in Kecel, Hungary



Most of the photo shots of the SAM Simulator were made at these sites...
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If You ever come to Hungary, and have a free day, just drop me a mail...
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3315418 - 06/10/11 11:28 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Will certainly do, with a lot of pleasure!

By the way, do you plan to have, or already have, the Akkord station in Zsambek? If only you succeed to get that and another RSN-75 or SNR-125 working (not necessarily transmitting), a really enjoyable game could be played... and still "off the air", which, I suppose, would be a big advantage (or the only way to make it legal) in todays dense radio environment smile

For those who don't know: Akkord was a mobile simulating device (dimensions of just one trailer smile ) which could be plug into the battery's network to simulate up to six "targets" simultaneously on radar screens. The Akkord crew could steer the "targets" at real time (including active and passive jamming, evasive high g maneuvers, etc.). The "bad-guys-trailer" was a very appreciated aid in the S-75 and S-125 day-to-day training.

#3315460 - 06/10/11 12:38 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Relics of the open air military museum as transferred to the backyard of the Officer's House. Kisinyov, Moldova. yep

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#3316426 - 06/11/11 01:57 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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