I'm not getting the repeated reference to having to yell SWAT. When they kicked the door in, I'll bet they were all screaming Police or Sheriffs Dept. I never had to yell SRT...Were her ears ringing? They throw distraction devices?

And stop wrapping the flag around every vet. As a road MP for 5 years I can tell the military has it's share of the biggest scumbags on the planet too...

That's funny coming from a guy holding a shotgun in his hand in a recent article of yours, which is full of grammatical errors.

man o man.... not only do you not know about this topic, you also got the wrong person on the above statement.

doh...

Oh great the Grammer Police are here!

The last time something like this happened around here, SWAT had the wrong address and busted in on a Mung family. Luckly everbody missed shooting at each other.

1. I agree, a warrant grants them the right to search the home. Still, if he thought it was a home invasion, I think the situation was mishandled.

2. Um, what? Being gunned down by a SWAT team is a risk of being an ALLEGED drug dealer? Since when?

Now, refusing to lower an assault rifle (and if SWAT did their home work, they were very, very aware that he knows how to use it), THAT carries the risk of being shot.

3. Agreed. People have a right to know they are having their home searched in accordance with the law. This also gives them a chance to co-operate with law enforcement.

4. Again, shooting a man in his home after finding drugs IS NOT THE LAW. Shooting a man because hes holding an officer at gun point is.

Also, I agree that issuing death threats over the internet is pathetic.

of course I didn't mean it how you took it...

What I meant was that if your a criminal and you know your a criminal you have to expect that there is a good chance SWAT will be crashing in your door one night.... just like cops have to expect that there is a chance they will be shot or killed by a criminal. So the defense that he didn't know they were cops (if they followed proper, by law, procedures of announcing themselves) don't fly.

I can't read the article, it's blocked at work here.... so I would like to know more facts, and not speculation from cop haters, criminals, or family members.

If SWAT f'ed up... then they need to explain and pay for mistakes... IE: wrong house, not a drug dealer, didn't announce.

IMO

BTW, our undercover guys have to buy dope and record it a number of times before getting a warrant and raiding a house... you don't just pick a house to raid... it's usually months of pre-raid work.

Fixed. It's not an "assault rifle" unless it's select-fire.

This is sad to hear, but I wonder what really happened. There in Arizona, Tucson area since it's close to the mexico border. I know when I took my CCW class a few months ago the instructor told us some crazy stories. He has been a detective for over 14 years. I can see if they didn't yell SWAT, I'd get my gun also.

When you hear someone breaking down your door, especially in an area of the country known for bandits doing that exact thing, you have every right to pull a gun and defend yourself.

If this Marine is cleared and these SWAT members made a mistake, everyone in that chain of command deserves to do hard time, from the guy who authorized the raid, to the guy who knocked the door in, to the guy who pulled the trigger. I'm sick and tired of the police doing things like this and getting off or letting the guys on the ground take the fall, when some of the higher-ups should be doing time too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting

And in this case the cops should be in jail for breaking and entry:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941066/posts

Sorry, but I once took a wrong turn into an alley in Chicago trying to turn around. It was a mistake because the one-way sign was graffiti covered and basically unreadable. I received a ticket. When I took the photo of the sign to court the judge told me, "Just because you made a mistake and the sign wasn't clear, ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law." He proceeded to fine me over $100.

I'm tired of officers not being held to the same standards of the law.

If I did this: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp

I would be in jail for identity theft and all other sorts of things, but again the police simply violate the 4th Amendment and get away with it.

It's why I don't really trust police officers as defenders of liberty. When it comes to the Constitution, Rights or even moral right from wrong, you can count on the officers siding with the abusive government and not the citizen or Natural Rights. I know that will offend a lot of the officers on this board, but explain to me why police officers didn't protest the blatant violation of the 4th Amendment in seizing the data from cell phones without just cause or a warrant and instead went along with it like it was moral and Constitutional?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941066/posts

Soon as the rest of the non-simming CE crew shows up i'll move this topic down there.

Also, I think people need to understand that Arizona has had previous cases where people dress as police officers and raid a house:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnew...-shot-dead.html

We also had a drug cartel commit a hit by having their hitmen dress like police and entering the house.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/mexican_cartels_and_fallout_phoenix

So if this Marine was innocent, you can't blame him for shooting first and asking questions later.

The cops seem to be making it look like a movie than an act issue:



My first impression of this line is that it appears they've been watching too much scar face.

http://www.kgun9.com/story/14621212/marine-killed-by-swat-was-acting-in-defense-says-family

Time will tell, but if this Marine is cleared, there needs to be hell to pay.

As if we didn't know it was headed down there already.

Besides are you not saying I don't sim? How dare you besmirch my honor.

Posting history my friend.

I agree, if this Marine isn't squeaky clean, then it's on him. If he is squeaky clean, then there needs to be hell to pay.

You just can't reason or use common sense with some people, even certain members of SimHQ... I'd like to know the whole story of the original post, but tired of all this "oh cops are so bad, I don't trust them" waa waa crap...

I'll end with this... if you get arrested for slapping your wife, kid, dog or whatever... you keep your job/life... get arrested for DUI you most likely keep your job, get in a bar fight, you will most likely keep your job...not so if your a cop... cops are more policed and held to ridiculous standards all for low "professional" pay and a ungrateful community/leaders etc etc... and anyone could print/post BS.... just looking at the names of those "papers" you linked too... ha ha.

So why do we do it? Well I do it because the car is my office, I like to drive fast with lights and sirens, and I like taking criminals to jail... no other reason. lol

And in case you think I'm just anti-cop or something like that, I'm not. I just defended a police officer literally yesterday. Here is the proof:



The difference between the image case and the Marine's case is that one was clearly an officer, the other was unclear and if the Marine was clean then the SWAT was definitely and criminally wrong and deserve 2nd Degree charges.

I just refuse to take the officer's side (or anyone else's side) on blind faith.

Magnum,

I'm just wondering what kind of standard is Michigan officers held to when they illegally hack a cellphone and are not charged with a crime?

At last, someone with sense.



Sorry to be the one to break the news to you, but not everyone whom a cop thinks is a criminal is actually a criminal.

Annnnndddd, here we go!