At least the graphical part of it.

Yep, WF2 posted this on the ROF site as well. Great stuff!

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There's a small problem with the animation in the sim. The first few degrees of warp don't show. The aircraft begins rolling, but the wing is perfectly straight. Then, if you give just a little more stick, enough to cross the animation's threshold, suddenly the wing pops into a warped position. After that the warping is gradual and matches the amount of stick input, as it should. But the beginning is dodgy.

Sorry Josh but I detect no delay and the beginning is not dodgy. I don't know why you would say that.

Jason

Prolly' just a small deadzone/slop in the center of his joystick....but, with his recent posts about "spreading rumors" he might do well to heed his own advice.

No problems here Josh. Check your hardware.

Amazing how this sim gets all it's details right, and spot on.

The EIII's very nice, I love watching the pulleys moving

I'd still like to see more instability in the fm and stalling before stick full back to make life a bit harder. Just from anecdotes, no firm data for this.

Yes I love the E.III too, beautifully done in ROF. I belive a lot of effort was spent getting it right too.

The E.III - An early attempt at fly by wire

That's funny SVonT!

Guys, it can't be a problem with my hardware, because the aircraft begins to roll. That is, I give a tiny bit of side-stick and the aircraft immediately begins to roll, as it should. But the animation doesn't show. It's only when I give quite a bit of side-stick, and the aircraft is rolling rather rapidly, that the animation starts to show.

For example, if I give 1% of max side-stick, I immediately get 1% of max roll rate, but the wing-warp animation is still at 0%. If I increase it to 2% stick, I still get 2% roll but 0% animation. Then once I reach somewhere around 5%, suddenly the animation "catches up" and so now I have 5% roll and 5% animation. After that point it works as it should, so 6% stick gives 6% roll and 6% animation, and so on.

I'll create a demonstrative track; you'll see that it cannot be a problem with my joystick, because the virtual stick in the cockpit moves and the aircraft starts rolling, but the animation is stationary. You'll see how it "pops" from 0% warp to ~5% warp with no ability to get anywhere in between. If it were a problem with my stick, then 2% stick would result in 0% roll and 0% animation, not 2% roll and 0% animation.

Not sure what the actual percentage is at which the animation "pops" to. I'm guessing 5% but I really don't know. Even the smallest amount of stick causes the wires to move, as they should; but the wing simply doesn't follow, until that certain point is reached at which it "pops" into place.

Edit: here's the track. http://riseofflight.com/Forum/download/file.php?id=18409

I created that thread to post my track because SimHQ does not allow direct uploads, while the official Rise of Flight forum does.

Well, reading BOTH threads, it seems like there may be a minority opinion. Usually that means some issue inherent a set up and/or hardware. Apologies but there is no counterpoint to that point.

Also, I cannot remember what the statistical determination of human perception is (divisions of a set measurement unit), but it is certainly above 1 or 2%, i.e. there is no way a human can reliably or accurately detect a 1 or 2% division of a measured unit. I used to know what it was, but that was long ago. Maybe, MAYBE those people hired to taste coffee or sniff perfume. They get paid an awful lot, and could be considered super-human when it comes to that sensitivity.

Regardless! If the stick moves a tinsie-tiny bit, and the pulley rolls slightly, but there isn't a tinsie-tiny bit of wing warping, I don't get the point!!! Do you really think all that length of stiff wing on the EIII actually responded like it was on computerized hydraulics??? There IS going to be play in all aspects of that early WWI control system. Suck it up and enjoy the game.

Check the RoF Forum thread again. With a tinsie-tiny bit of stick input, the airplane will roll (slowly, commensurate with the stick input) although there is no visible indication of the wing actually warping. It is a very, very small graphic bug -- nothing more. The FM works fine. This is extremely low on the list of things to worry about.

The only hardware issue is that reasonably precise joysticks can experience this effect, and very imprecise joysticks cannot.



Requiem's screenshot indicates that this happens at about 13%, which is fairly close to my original estimate of 10% (which I reduced to my guess of 5% for the final draft of my post). Unless one has a crappy joystick, anyone ought to be able to get this right. I think that most of the people who are insisting that there's no problem are doing so because they want to see no problem.



Sure, I'm cool with a realistic play in the roll rate due to wing warping mechanics. But that isn't the issue here. There's the issue Arjisme and I mentioned (the discrepancy between the warp and the roll), and there's also the "pop" (and its accompanying zone of missing animation). Neither one should be happening.



Agreed. The only reason there's been a fuss about it at all is that some people are trying to say that this small issue doesn't exist.

How my thread should have gone is something like this:

"Hey guys, there's this bug."
"Huh, that's interesting. Not particularly high priority, though."
"Yeah, but if it's easy to fix, maybe they can do it sometime later when they aren't as busy."

Instead, people try to deny its existence altogether, as if they're somehow defending the honor of the sim. [skyward glance] Sheesh.

Sheesh Josh, you are on a crusade aren't you? My joystick is just fine and even the most minute motion animates the warp. It's a G940 and it does have a very high precision contactless X & Y positional sensor. What joystick do you have that makes you think everyone else has a crappy joystick?

Crusade? I do not consider this animation glitch to be a large problem, which is why I did not post about it months ago when I found it. What I do consider a large problem is your crowd's religious attempt to deny the fact that this minor problem exists. Had you not not done so, the discussion about it would have been brief. I only mentioned it in passing, because it was relevant to the O.P.



As I mentioned in the other thread, you didn't follow the procedure I described. If I say "Do A and B to get C," and you reply with "You're wrong; I did X and Y and didn't get C," you've made a logical fallacy.



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