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#3283823 - 05/01/11 02:03 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
The sim community is not that big, but if those that already own ROF just conitnue to support us when we make our next move we could make more and more cool stuff for you.


We'd be stupid not to.

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#3283857 - 05/01/11 02:56 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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id support some 20s-30s flight sims, man that would be cool!!! But WWI sims are the best, rof has so much potential!


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#3283879 - 05/01/11 03:51 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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The least re-engineering for the RoF engine would be to do an early flight civil sim (and while it might not have much currency with the online dogfight crowd - there is a big casual/civilian market out there + there is the fact that you don't really need to have a joystick if you aren't dogfighting). This could be a relative quick (1-2 years of development) source of cash.

Another easy rebuild would be to do a 1920s-1930s sim (which hasn't been done, but would have a lot of neat birds in a hypothetical conflict or in the SCW).

Jumping into the WWII combat environment means competing with an engine that is custom designed for that conflict and having two companies doing the same thing (which doesn't seem to make much sense). I like the current situation where we have company for WWI, WWIII, a tank simulator and a 1980s era (DCS series).

We still could do with a realistic, but less avionically serious "PAK-FA" vs. Ef-2000 type futuristic sim, or even an Echelon successor and certainly some more sims in the 1950s-1970s bracket (Jet Thunder or a new sim by TK?). The 1930s is also missing (partly due to the lack of wars). It would also be great to have a Russian helo-sim (possible based on "Combat Helo"?). But having 777/Grennadich compete with the three WWII sims already planned from Maddox Games..??

#3283880 - 05/01/11 03:51 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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Jason, tell me where to send the check and I'll preorder right now!

The aircraft of the inter-war years are very interesting. While there weren't too many large-scale conflicts, there were a few air battles fought, especially over China, with quite a few of these planes. For a chance to fly a P-12, I'd even buy a 'what if' type sim.

While Il-2 did an amazing job of covering a large number of WW II aircraft, there were glaring omissions that I'd love to see included in a new sim. B-26, A-26, Ki-44, several large multi-engine bombers.

I never had a chance to try Mig Alley. The mix of early jets and late prop planes has always intrigued me. I just don't care for the more modern avionics such as in an A-10 or other modern fighter. The Korean era still relied mainly on the Mk. I eye-ball and that suits me just fine.


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#3283888 - 05/01/11 04:17 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: Josh Echo]  
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Originally Posted By: Josh Echo
Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
The sim community is not that big, but if those that already own ROF just conitnue to support us when we make our next move we could make more and more cool stuff for you.


We'd be stupid not to.


Yep, right now 777 is the premier PC combat flight sim developer. As a game designed for modern hardware, it is the most complete, polished, combat flight sim currently on the market. That is quite an accomplishment. It has been vision, faith, talent, hard work, a willingness to take risk, and no major missteps along the way that brought it this far. And because RoF is a quality product many flight simmers who aren't especially drawn to WW1 have been attracted to RoF and jumped on board.

Once this Career mode goes live it will launch RoF into orbit. I think it will prove a huge boost to the game. A dynamic campaign is the only core gameplay element RoF is really lacking. Even if the Career doesn't launch with every feature we can imagine, that won't be a game breaker. As long as the frame work is there, what it does include is fun, and it works, it can always be expanded upon and improved. Much like RoF itself when it first launched.

#3283892 - 05/01/11 04:25 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I'd like to see you revive that P-47's over the Pacific, idea.


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#3283936 - 05/01/11 06:45 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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WWII has many theatres and many planes and much ground combat. WWII alone could spawn 6 products easily.

Yes, P-47s over the Pacific is still a dream. I have lots of dreams though. :-)

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#3283990 - 05/01/11 10:29 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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#3283996 - 05/01/11 11:00 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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Erm...paying for each plane for WW1 is OK...can you imagine having to pay for all those planes that where released over time for IL2 FB!!!

Couldn't afford it...also I expect many planes wouldn't be bought...if they kept to the major planes for each nation then fine..

But I would like to see tham do a WW2 sim and maybe Korea....nothing with to much tech though..

I also agree with the Lighten up request...aslong as it works both ways then I'm happy..

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#3283998 - 05/01/11 11:00 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I have to say, the prospect of a 777 designed Korean combat sim is quite something and I'd be buying for sure.

#3284001 - 05/01/11 11:07 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
Ideally we would have simultaneous operations making more than one product or updating more than one product at a time. That's always been the dream. All we need is a few more personnel and you can have both WWI and WWII in a reasonable timeframe already. But at some point ROF features will be frozen and only content will be added. The boys have been working in WWI for over 5 years now. They are a little tired of it. Can you blame them? And we believe in evolutionary development which means baby steps. If we did WWII we will probably not release a full blown WWII product a la COD. That is a mistake in today's market with the level of complexity and cost to make a big WWII sim. We'd rather take small, but strong steps.

If the community does the following:

1. Exercises Patience
2. Accepts the difficulties of development (Nothing is bug free)
3. Lightens up a little
3. Supports new business models
4. Supports evolutionary development

...then all is possible and you can have a robust community with new flight-sim products on a regular basis.

What's interesting to note is we could realize WWI, WWII and Korea (over a 5 year period) if the existing ROF user base simply got behind whatever it is we do next. The sim community is not that big, but if those that already own ROF just conitnue to support us when we make our next move we could make more and more cool stuff for you.

Jason


Absolutely smile Just let know when Friday updates are about to start and where we can preorder smile I guess `two weeks` is not when we are going to get it but an ETA would be appreciated.

What is most impressive regarding ROF (and could hopefully be extended onto WWII sim) is a very insightful way you guys approach the sim development and the business model it`s built around. It really is about making small but solid steps first (and it is something COD din`t do - they were trying to get hold of too many things at a time and ended up with bunch of bugs and a game that simply lacks focus on what it should be doing - fighting large bomber formations in the height of summer of 1940).

As both a flight sim fan and business person, I think in ROF these two parts come together very well. Bravo !

#3284003 - 05/01/11 11:09 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I'd hope that planes will still be added to ROF though and maybe map elements? It'd make no sense not to surely. Feature freeze means gfx and physics engine development?

I seem to remember that Jason had a Pacific P47 sim in the works a few years ago but it never materialised. Food for thought? The Pacific's been neglected imo, Pacific Fighters wasn't too hot and and Maddox are unlikely to go back there even in the medium term.


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#3284004 - 05/01/11 11:10 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: Kwiatek]  
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Originally Posted By: Kwiatek
I think that if in time you will move to WW1 peroid you will have even much large community. For sure WW2 is much more popular then WW1 although personaly i love them both. I started my flying adventure with gliders so for me WW1 is just the essence of flying.



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#3284013 - 05/01/11 11:31 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I guess I would be one of the guys who wouldn't go along the ride. I play RoF because I love the WWI theatre and I love 777 studios for making it.

I'm sure 777 could pull off something equally as good as ROF in another theatre and period in history but they can do it without me: I play ROF for ROF, not for 777.

While I think it would be a mistake that you can copy over the ROF community 1:1 to any new product with a new theme and you shouldn't count on that, of course there would also be a new group of people you would attract so that might even itself out or even work in your favour eventually.

I'd be srry to see it happen, though. There is still so much more that can be done with ROF. I just hope that by 'content', you also mean new maps and new elements like float planes and submarines and ships and zeppelins and......

Yeah, you get the point smile

#3284016 - 05/01/11 11:43 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I would certainly support some WWII stuff made by 777.


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#3284021 - 05/01/11 12:06 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I'd love to see 777 expand into other theatres. An obvious start could be the Spanish Civil War because of the limited aircraft sets. WWII is more difficult because there were just so many types of aircraft involved. But, marketing-wise, it would be best to go straight away for something with US aircraft in it to generate the highest possible volume of sales, so maybe carrier ops in the Pacific? If 777 could capitalise on their experience with RoF then they could produce something really special.

All this is after they have done a glider sim just for me, of course.


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#3284025 - 05/01/11 12:12 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
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If the community does the following:

1. Exercises Patience
2. Accepts the difficulties of development (Nothing is bug free)
3. Lightens up a little
3. Supports new business models
4. Supports evolutionary development


Interesting. What's your vision for a new business model? Do you mean new when compared to ROF?


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#3284033 - 05/01/11 12:30 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: RocketDog]  
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Originally Posted By: RocketDog
An obvious start could be the Spanish Civil War because of the limited aircraft sets.


SCW had many, many plane types- most in small quantities.

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Originally Posted By: RocketDog
I'd love to see 777 expand into other theatres. An obvious start could be the Spanish Civil War because of the limited aircraft sets. WWII is more difficult because there were just so many types of aircraft involved. But, marketing-wise, it would be best to go straight away for something with US aircraft in it to generate the highest possible volume of sales, so maybe carrier ops in the Pacific? If 777 could capitalise on their experience with RoF then they could produce something really special.

All this is after they have done a glider sim just for me, of course.


The easiest start would be Pacific without carrier ops, P47s, P38s, P40s, Beaufighters.

I don't see why people think the Spanish Civil War would make a good sim project. Conflict no one's heard of, one sided, planes no one's heard of(mostly), few planes that could transfer to another WW2 theatre's (mostly) Hmmmm.


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#3284053 - 05/01/11 12:58 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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As a dedicated supporter of 777 Studios, I would like to see all this expansion mentioned realised but,
I would like to see RoF more complete before moving to another project though... yep


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