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#3283444 - 04/30/11 03:00 PM 777 Studios taking over COD development ?  
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Hi,

Given sad state of IL2 cliffs of dover, is it possible that 777 takes over development or develops its own WWII combat flight sim ? the one thing that 1C seems to be needing is some healthy competition. Someone should really set fire under their ar$es and 777 seems the right crowd to do so.

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#3283457 - 04/30/11 03:25 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I think what Luthier and the Maddox guys need for now is some time to try and fix CloDs obvious problems.

I'm hoping that in a year or so's time we'll be able to say, "this is what CloD should have been like at release".


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#3283470 - 04/30/11 03:48 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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It's been suggested before that 777 do a WWII sim. However, I (and many others) would not want to see this anytime soon and would rather see them remain focused on RoF, improving and expanding it. Thus far, that seems to be exactly what they are planning to do. If they could find a way to finance hiring additional resources, then it could be cool to see them attempt this.

#3283473 - 04/30/11 03:51 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: Mogster]  
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Maddox games has contractual/financial obligations with UBI and 1c. I doubt 777, or anyone else for that matter, is willing to put up with all that crap.

#3283476 - 04/30/11 03:58 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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It's always best to do one thing well instead of spreading yourself over too many genres; 1c have a good niche with WW2, 777 with WW1, sounds like a good plan for healthy sales/continued development to me.
if they started encroaching on each others strengths then you end up with a diluted mess IMO.
Now that CoD is actually generating some return, we should see the same improvement with that title as we did with RoF.
I wonder how many of the whiners and knockers would stick at their jobs if they were told they'd be paid 'sometime' in the future when the work they were doing actually started to generate revenue.

#3283478 - 04/30/11 04:12 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: Jaws2002]  
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Originally Posted By: Jaws2002
Maddox games has contractual/financial obligations with UBI and 1c. I doubt 777, or anyone else for that matter, is willing to put up with all that crap.


That`s what I`d hope for - they`d expand their game engine AND business model to create great WWII flight sim. And if they just used existing ROF engine it would be so much better than current COD.

#3283549 - 04/30/11 06:28 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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It would be interesting to see how the ROF dynamic campaign plays out before I would even want to ponder this question.

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#3283552 - 04/30/11 06:29 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I would much rather see a new Tornado, Typhoon or other modern jet sim rather than yet another WW2 sim. IL2 has pretty much covered the lot dont see any reason for another version of IL2. The only WW2 sim I wanted to see was the BOB and we are getting that (gradually).


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#3283572 - 04/30/11 06:57 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: nats]  
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I really wish 777 would concentrate on WW1 alone. There's just such a huge potentional for expansions for this sim? There were just so many exiting areas involved in the Great War, that has never been covered (and hardly mentioned today) There was several battlegrounds in Africa, and also WW1 had it's eastern front with it's huge battles and fights, there were the endless battles about beaches of Gallipoli, the Arabic peninsula ( Lawrence of Arabia anyone? smile )
I really really hope we'll see (at least some) of these covered in the future. It's just too good to miss..

#3283581 - 04/30/11 07:13 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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We have nothing to do with COD. What has been suggested will never happen.

We always planned on making multiple products in multiple time periods. I've said this before so it's not news. How we go about that is what we don't know yet, but lets say that our inboxes and interest from others for us to branch out into WWII is on fire. An engine like ours should not be limited to only one war. :-)


Jason

#3283643 - 04/30/11 08:44 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: Jaws2002]  
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Originally Posted By: Jaws2002
Maddox games has contractual/financial obligations with UBI and 1c. I doubt 777, or anyone else for that matter, is willing to put up with all that crap.


Maddox Games is a part of 1C.

#3283655 - 04/30/11 09:00 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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You certainly have my vote Jason

#3283684 - 04/30/11 10:20 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
We have nothing to do with COD. What has been suggested will never happen.
We always planned on making multiple products in multiple time periods. I've said this before so it's not news. How we go about that is what we don't know yet, but lets say that our inboxes and interest from others for us to branch out into WWII is on fire. An engine like ours should not be limited to only one war. :-)


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You guys will/would make a Second World War flight sim that will/would put even Aces High to shame, or I'll eat my socks.

#3283691 - 04/30/11 10:31 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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Ideally we would have simultaneous operations making more than one product or updating more than one product at a time. That's always been the dream. All we need is a few more personnel and you can have both WWI and WWII in a reasonable timeframe already. But at some point ROF features will be frozen and only content will be added. The boys have been working in WWI for over 5 years now. They are a little tired of it. Can you blame them? And we believe in evolutionary development which means baby steps. If we did WWII we will probably not release a full blown WWII product a la COD. That is a mistake in today's market with the level of complexity and cost to make a big WWII sim. We'd rather take small, but strong steps.

If the community does the following:

1. Exercises Patience
2. Accepts the difficulties of development (Nothing is bug free)
3. Lightens up a little
3. Supports new business models
4. Supports evolutionary development

...then all is possible and you can have a robust community with new flight-sim products on a regular basis.

What's interesting to note is we could realize WWI, WWII and Korea (over a 5 year period) if the existing ROF user base simply got behind whatever it is we do next. The sim community is not that big, but if those that already own ROF just conitnue to support us when we make our next move we could make more and more cool stuff for you.

Jason

#3283703 - 04/30/11 10:45 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason


If the community does the following:

1. Exercises Patience
2. Accepts the difficulties of development (Nothing is bug free)
3. Lightens up a little
3. Supports new business models
4. Supports evolutionary development

...then all is possible and you can have a robust community with new flight-sim products on a regular basis.



Done deal, I'm ready! smile

#3283716 - 04/30/11 11:06 PM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I think that if in time you will move to WW1 peroid you will have even much large community. For sure WW2 is much more popular then WW1 although personaly i love them both. I started my flying adventure with gliders so for me WW1 is just the essence of flying.



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Cze Michcich kupe lat. Odezwij sie to moze razem polatamy w ROF. Mamy swojego team speaka do gadania jak co.

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#3283772 - 05/01/11 12:32 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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Originally Posted By: 303_Michcich
Hi,

Given sad state of IL2 cliffs of dover, is it possible that 777 takes over development or develops its own WWII combat flight sim ? the one thing that 1C seems to be needing is some healthy competition. Someone should really set fire under their ar$es and 777 seems the right crowd to do so.



Apparently you weren't here for the early days of RoF. It wasn't perfect. Far far from it. I'm very fortunate that I never had a lot of the issues many had/have here, but there was a bunch of issues. Now almost two years later and RoF is a smashingly decent flight sim.

IDK what happened with the development of CoD but give it two years and it'll be as good or better (depending on one's preference) than RoF.

Both companies have talented individuals who continue to make strides in their respective project. It's foolish to think someone else could jump in and 'finish' another company's game..... or worse, #%&*$# and moan to another developer when that own company's release was spotted at best.


Look how far RoF has come. A beauty ain't she? Took a bit, but Jason and crew work hard to get where they are now. CoD will advance just as well.

#3283789 - 05/01/11 01:08 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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Although I prefer WW1 to any other period, Ill stand behind whatever sim they make next. The Digital Nature engine is the best Ive seen so far, and I think it will make a great starting point for WW2 as well. Personally, Id like Korea done next. Nothings been done with that since Mig Alley (another classic)

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#3283800 - 05/01/11 01:24 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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COD is in a similar state to ROF when first released.

But to my mind we cant have enough quality combat flight sims. For me its not a choice of either or, rather "nice, another one!"

Im holding back on COD, simply because I know it will mature with time and that ROF furfills my current sim needs.

But one thing that concerns me is this great community itself. We demand excellence within a small market place. I dont think anyone deciedes to produce a PC flight sim to get rich. Its a labour of passion. And therefore we should support it best as able to maintain our great hobby.

I fear the day when there are only console releases because they are easy, profitable and inherently unsatisfying.

#3283820 - 05/01/11 01:53 AM Re: 777 Studios taking over COD development ? [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I don't know if there would be a market for it or not, but I would like to fly some types from the 20's and 30's...
These photo's were given to me by my Grandfather when I joined the RAF. He was inthe RAF during the early 1930's and then re-enlisted before WW2 kicked off...









He got them from a friend of his who worked in the photographic section where he was based.


The only problem with the 20's and 30's as far as combat sims are concerned is that there wasn't a major conflict to set it in (well maybe the Spanish civil war I guess).


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