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#3274356 - 04/19/11 06:15 PM testing the Fiat G50  
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what an ugly bird...
it must have been a real Fiat, flimsy, underpowered, underarmed, with many unnecessary features and lacking the most necessary ones (like a radio...)



reported performance as follows:
- ceiling variously reported between 9800 and 10700 m
- top speed variously reported between 470 and 485 km/h
- range 670 km
- rate of climb 45 fps=15 m/s
- max TO weight 2415 kg

did some tests in COD and found out the following:
- top speed: at 300/500 m altitude in level flight it never exceeds 350 km/h, even in a meticulously trimmed plane
- ceiling: took off at max TO weight and climbed up to 3500 m before blewing an oil gasket... sustained rate of climb no more than 8 or 9 m/s around 2000 m altitude
- then I started off at an altitude of 10500 m, tried to hold level flight and couldn't, when I dropped at 8000 I was still struggling and quit... my impression is that maybe the practical ceiling for the COD model is around 6000 m

I am no expert but my impression is that it's maybe missing some 200 of the reported 840 Hp power

So be advised, it's a really weak ride...

Ciao,
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#3274380 - 04/19/11 06:36 PM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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Ciao Nibbio, the G50 is weak for sure, but in full CEM all the Cod planes suffer altitude. Try to go over 15.000ft with a spit or a 109 (CEM)! smile

#3274383 - 04/19/11 06:42 PM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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Badmouthing Fiats? And done by an Italian? What's the world coming to?! wink

I like Fiats


^Still remember a holiday with my parents on Malta in the late 70s where my dad had the "civilian" version of this car as a rental car. I loved that thing to bits, especially the sunroof. smile



^ My brother used to own this one. Sweet little car!


I even like the G50 ... it's not as pretty as the beautiful Macchis (202/205), but at least it's not quite as ugly as the Macchi C.200 ..



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Those test-results of yours certainly look worrying. But, alas: More FM-trouble in CoD .. no big surprise. I've already posted in the bugs-thread about some weird behaviour by the 110s which will start shaking wildly at around 470/480 kph indicated and lose parts well before their rated safe dive-speed.



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Try to go over 15.000ft with a spit or a 109 (CEM)!


Which is why I don't understand why 90% of the servers I find have CEM enabled. OTOH, Spit Is are pretty much useless with CEM off ... oh, well ...


S.

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#3274465 - 04/19/11 08:18 PM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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Not to mention that in a steep dive that Fiat thing lost both ailerons and rudder at less than 550 km/h... talk about shoddy manufacturing Smash

You guys check out this old Istituto Luce gem on the production line of the G50... if you speak Italian you'll also enjoy the shameless propaganda audio... just priceless smile


#3274642 - 04/19/11 11:55 PM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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I always thought it looked like a robust bit of kit , sort of 'thunderbolty' in a workish type of way.The sort of plane that old farmer mate would haul out of his shed in the spraying season.


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#3274837 - 04/20/11 05:06 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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A real crap plane to love, is the internal bomb bay active in game? Any load outs for it? The version sent north wasn't recommended to get below 250 kph especially at altitude where it had a bad tendency to lose lateral stability and roll uncommanded. Was fixed in the next revision with tail and rudder modifications.

Guess its a good thing having a bomb bay without the extra range internal fuel cell since there isn't any armor protection in this one, even if you did get to the fight.

#3274978 - 04/20/11 11:42 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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They were made with a care of a jeweler, but the project was so old.

#3275894 - 04/21/11 09:49 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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Never trust an italian manufacturer at anything more complicated then ravioli neaner

You know the german acronym for Fiat? Fehler in allen Teilen (= Faults in all parts)

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#3275899 - 04/21/11 10:11 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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I prefer the British version:


Fun in a Taxi


IIRC this was coined during the times when Fiat was still spelled "F.I.A.T."



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#3275914 - 04/21/11 10:46 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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#3276749 - 04/22/11 04:57 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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As a person with Italian (among others) ancestry, I find this whole thread highly offensive. However, every time I get worked up enough to try to post a really good angry rebuttal, I can no longer type as my hands are no longer anywhere near the keyboard.

Actually I rented a Fiat during a trip to Ireland a few years ago. Interesting car. Fun to drive, quirky, and with the odd habit of giving you the feeling it wanted you dead every once and a while . . .

#3276766 - 04/22/11 05:24 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: RuhRoh]  
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Originally Posted By: RuhRoh
..., I can no longer type as my hands are no longer anywhere near the keyboard. ...


wut

#3276768 - 04/22/11 05:27 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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You know, how Italians talk with their hands.......


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#3276769 - 04/22/11 05:28 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: Wklink]  
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Originally Posted By: SimHQ Tom Cofield
You know, how Italians talk with their hands.......



Oh. Yes, that's what I hoped. smile

#3276788 - 04/22/11 06:08 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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....and if we speak about cars Smile2

Ford fuhr er, und zu Fuss kam er heim"


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#3276804 - 04/22/11 07:26 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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Hey guys! you know why Ford exists? Because at least one car company has to be worse than Opel!


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#3276848 - 04/22/11 10:10 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: addman]  
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Originally Posted By: addman
Hey guys! you know why Ford exists? Because at least one car company has to be worse than Opel!


Yes--really sad-i remember the time when Opel build some nice cars.
My Granddad had an Opel Kapitän, really nice one..But since the 80es they build only GM-crap...

Well--only a car with the engine behind you is a good car ;-)

#3276849 - 04/22/11 10:19 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: RuhRoh]  
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Originally Posted By: RuhRoh
As a person with Italian (among others) ancestry, I find this whole thread highly offensive. However, every time I get worked up enough to try to post a really good angry rebuttal, I can no longer type as my hands are no longer anywhere near the keyboard.

Actually I rented a Fiat during a trip to Ireland a few years ago. Interesting car. Fun to

drive, quirky, and with the odd habit of giving you the feeling it wanted you dead every once and a while . . .


Drove an Alfa Romeo last year-was quite an experience. Raced through the "green hell"-lots of fun and really scary sometimes..
A mate of mine is specialist for Alfa and owns a Giulia racing car-thats an italian car i would drive.
But as with most vintage italian cars-1hour of driving and 2h of fixing after..

Its a pity they ruined their reputation with all the crap after the Guilia.
But Fiat-never ever in my whole life.....did they ever built a decent car in their whole time as manufacturer? Can´t remember one...

#3276857 - 04/22/11 10:39 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: Blacksky]  
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Originally Posted By: Blacksky
Originally Posted By: addman
Hey guys! you know why Ford exists? Because at least one car company has to be worse than Opel!



Well--only a car with the engine behind you is a good car ;-)


Ah yeah , a VW Käfer fan, maybe ? WinkNGrin


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#3276860 - 04/22/11 10:52 AM Re: testing the Fiat G50 [Re: nibbio]  
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Originally Posted By: Blacksky
.....did they ever built a decent car in their whole time as manufacturer? Can´t remember one...


Tsk, tsk, tsk Blacksky...








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And of course, this:



Oh well.. err.. maybe not... wink



Plus, technically, all Alfas, Lancias and Ferraris of the last 20 years or so, are in facts Fiat-cars... biggrin Not that I'd care much for modern Alfas or Lancias. They used to be great brands with astonishing cars ... the old Delta, the Stratos, the Monte Carlo or the Alfa GT Junior, Giulia, Spider, etc. And of course those incredible Alfa-engines like the 2000 DOHC or the 3-liter V6 ... *sigh*.


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