Tree, and any one who posted about the sad state of Cliffs of Dover IL2. Well if I posted what I think I would get a life time ban from Sim HQ

If this game was in beta, " it is " then it would be OK due to we could post all the bugs and get them fixed.

After that .. Flight Sim X ... we might get a good SIM.

Even with one of the best systems Sandy Bridge i5 2500k " Clocked to 4.8 " 8 gigs of DDR 3 1600mhz F3 Sam sung 1T bite, ATI 6970 2GIG .. and Drum roll.. #$%^&*

Game is Jerky, Slow, LOW FPS , Look like some one dumped Wings of Prey on to the IL2 and didn't bother to test it. Great cockpit views but after about 3 clicks.. well ...

Tree.. I am sorry I thought you were just posting hate.. but you were speaking the truth.

I hope we see some major fixes, And Force Feed back added to the game.. They give us 6dof and then take away FFB. Wow... im sure the guys over at Logitech would help add the code.
Just like Track IR did for many games in the past.. Love you Guys at Track IR BTW..

Game is getting 50 fps out to sea but when you get in to air to air with AI the FPS drop to 40-42.

Good but again choppy...

With out FFB the stick feels Heavy and hard to fly.. So that is dead.. Shadows seem a bit off too.

To much to post other than

Tree ... your the man.. Rock on... you Ex-Punk-rocker.

I read he's like Jesus. Really. Somebody actually compared him to Jesus.

But without any hope.

Drunk posting is just like any other thing you do while inebriated and in a public setting : it doesn't make you look or sound smart at all, can seriously damage your health, image and self esteem, and you'll regret it a lot the next morning.

Funny, of all the Biblical figures, Jesus is probably the last one I'd have thought of associating Tree with...

Cheers

Nico

Sounds rather like inebriation.

Edit: Good grief Von Barb. You hit the post button almost concurrently

I once, after one Tequila too many, tried to... nah, I better keep it for myself.

Cheers,
Slug

..no no..continue

Way too many icons in David's post.

Nuh Uh, he didn't break the unwritten 10 icon per post rule. There were only 6.


Wheels

I don't know. I will have to look up that policy.

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.



What popped into my mind when I tried reading it.

Maybe he will post something a little more, um, readable once he sobers up and can articulate more what he is upset about.

BTW, Tree, as far as I know, has not been banned.

Drunk much?

lol, wait until you boys actually get the game, you will be whistling a different tune then.

actually I like it

this is one of the best drunk madness posts on this board so far

gotta give it credit for that!

I got the game tonight...works great! On a single monitor (1680x1050) it is smooth 30-45fps attacking bombers over the ocean on very high settings. In Eyefinity (3306x1680) is it smooth enough (fraps said 16-20fps but it looked smoother to me...odd) to play again attacking the bombers over the ocean. Flying over london was the same framerate but I did not have any other planes in the air with me.

Yep, it strains my system, but I am confident that patches will come out to rectify issues. Complain all you want, it is a game and not a pivotal issue in my life. I like it.

I wasnt aware Jesus had any hope, I heard he died.

i love thew dogfighting with the bi planes over water brill. but over land not good)

This forum needs more posters like this.

LOL ! With out any Hope ! LOL !! Sorry Tree, but that really made me laugh.
As for COD, I will be waiting to see what happens and when and if it gets better,,, then maybe, Only time will tell.

Thanks for the laugh Dart, It was a long day and I needed one.

Desode

Ive got it, not great at the moment, but certainly way better than you would have had us believe IMO, I have an 8800gt only at the moment and had a 6 v 9 over sea and it was playable, although many of your points were pretty much around the mark you were blasting off in every direction so it was likely you would knock over a few ducks.

Having said that there are quite a few tweaks required to get it to even barely playable on my PC, but as I said an 8800gt 512k is not even supported, the devs though are going to need to work hard to get this to anything like resembling the sort of play we can get with IL2.

Shame really as it will cost them a lot of sales, it's like what happened with ROF which is now quite good fun, but the release was a disaster.

Hopefully people will be patient, no point bagging it too much, we got what we got and can only hope they can get some fixes out pretty quickly, I would think the best thing now is detailed bug reports not random rants about who lied to us and all the rest of the crap.

One headline post against the game - two immediate mod postings shooting it down.

I think that sets the tone.

Yes, I know it's a fan forum. Boy do I know.

The game is quite obviously at beta stage, if that. Face facts, at the very least. Please? For the sake of my sanity?

Ben

Nobody cares.

People gonna buy and play it no matter what.


Thats what REALLY burns in you and the usual suspects ego.

Well Ive got the game now, Ive messed about with it for several hours and it runs like crap, dogfighting not a chance in hell, I would of got a lot more action if i'd spent £29.99 on the Missus. My advice keep your money in your pockects this will be in the bargain bin well before its fixed.

Ghost-Swe...if only, if only....

I'd only involve ego about something worthwhile, more important. Not a computer game - you must be joking?

Hwoever, I still see the same types of posts/fans/dev cycles as 10 years ago, or longer if you take bulletin boards into account.

I'm just amazed people accept, and applaud, a game in this state, with this troubled dev history and feature omissions, and in this general state.

I would say the fans' ego is the most readily apparent. And the mob mentality.

Enjoy the game. I'll wait until it is playable and the missing features are put back, if ever. I have no bias either way.

Ben

You do come out with some gems Tree

you could look at it that way, or you could say that one didn't enjoy it while two did, some people require less than others to be happy, some people may have spent some time getting it running better than others, you rarely get every one agreeing. You are right that it has obviously been released early but that doesn't take a genius to see, I think it has a lot of promise if you disagree fine, would you rather the forum only allow negative posts, for your sanity and all.

A lot of bruised egos around here. Blind faith can get one killed, so really it's not so bad.

Well...im flying 3 on 3 over the sea at 45-60FPS and having a great time

I finally downloaded the game at 4am this morning after being undecided if I was going to pull the switch or not until the obvious problems were sorted.
First impressions are good, virtually the same feelings as 10 years ago when I first fired up the IL-2 demo.

Anyways,installed faultlessly using Steam and jumped in on a quick mission with the default medium settings.
I was getting 10-15 fps over land in a one on one but this was at 2560 by 1440 so understandable.
I reduced down to 1600 x 1200 and I got another 10fps which is ok for my setup and perfectly playable for what I want at the moment.
I know the big bomber missions will come, but it will take time to polish this, much like when I bought the beta DCS A-10 last year and waited patiently through the patches until the released product.

Specs:
iMac (yes really)
i7 875
12GB DDR3 RAM
Ati 5750 1MB
Win7 64 Bit
TIR3 / ver.5 software
Warthog/ TM pedals

Me too

I love this part ion his stream of consciousness post

"Game is getting 50 fps out to sea but when you get in to air to air with AI the FPS drop to 40-42" OMG 40-42!!

I remember playing IL2 and geting ecstatic if it went over 25 fps on Black death TRK!

I can remember when IL2 came out and we all couldn't get more than a 3v3 going 10 years ago. But I am shocked a game using DirX10 with 10 years of experience from the prior sim that is listed to have 120+ man servers can only get 3v3 in the server " over water only " Try that over London.. A BOB Game with no BOB lol.. " hey that girl is a MAN "

Why didn't 1c have a beta ... well you just paid for it. And I would have as the owner said hey.. we are going to under pressure " have a beta release " for people willing to " pre order and pay for the game " then We will have a " gold Release at a later date. So only those willing to pay for the beta will get to test it. Don't wait unit were in the room and give you $50 before we see that she is a man and tell us that we should have known due to and I quote " Our games are always a work in progress" end Quote .

I love the new game and hate it. I can live with it yes. But I do have some remorse, the kind you get when you buy a Car and can't take it back after you find it has some " Reparable Issues from the factory " as if this game was fuled buy alcohol during the last 6 months before release ...


So turn down your settings, and enjoy the Beta.. It's just like Flight Sim X.. but I " hope " that they will fix this and not just run out of warranty leaving it to die on the vine.

Warring this post was edited by the Epi filter for your protection " USA markets only " Europe markets should be patched so you can read at your own risk.

Warring this is top secret meeting from 1C.. LOL Joke so please don't cry.

+1 and exactly what popped into my head as well

They have had the game for 24 hours in Europe and they still don't have any multi player servers up ... That what popped into my head too.. +1

.. I only hurts due to its true.

DavidWa, you don't have to put that video with every post.

Most of us found it funny but it is like a joke that my 13 year old says again and again. What is funny the first couple of times gets irritating when repeated over and over again. You are going from legitimate complainer to whiner real fast. That is tripping on the edge of Troller and that isn't allowed.

Not me. I won't waste my money until it's completely, totally fixed. But I appreciate the fact that others jumped right in to spare me the pain.

I don't think posts like this are as much a factor in buyer beware as you claim it to be. I've always waited until the coast was clear on my own volition. Nine times out of ten, there will be follow up patches.

I can't believe you would be that naive.

Well we don't need Tree to see the real true unless you are a fanatic or blind

When I saw those Tiguer Moth flying peacefully over water awhile ago I knew right away something was wrong

Before that we also saw the low resolution video released and the excuse was that they where using

a crappy computer to test the game to make sure people with mid systems can play it <---- lol

With that been said you people talk about support but to support a game in that state they need to win me over

and at this point a rather use my 50 for something else. COD will be good at some point and when they fix

their crappy fps issues Il buy it... in the mean time keep beta testing the game with your I7 OC at 4GHZ+GTX2/4/5 series

You may have a point.

Of course, all games of any complexity have teething problems, and release patches are fine and dandy and expected.

But this is of a different order. This appears to have more serious issues (even without the much-vaunted dynamic weather/campaign).

A good job radar wasn't much in evidence back then, since those features would have disappeared right off it

I have beta-tested complex and expensive software professionally, from memory-leak hunting to various GUI and interface issues, low-level page calls, DLL linkage etc etc....this thing was rushed out of the door entirely too early.

There's a-bit-too-early-we-can-live-with-it, and there's did-we-really-just-release-that-in-that-state-and-did-anyone-tell-the-programmers?

From what I can see it looks like the latter here.

A lot of people here and therefore willing to be used as unpaid beta-testers. In some cases they ahve spent a lot of upgrade money for the privelege. That's up to them.

Ben

I dunno, I have my Rise of Flight Early Adopter Medal (with Beta Arrow Device), and so I'm not too concerned.

While I will agree that reviews and impressions should always be on what is rather than potential, I'm still looking forward to the North American release and haven't cancelled my pre-order with GoGamer.

There was much knashing of teeth over RoF before and after release (and still is, as there remains holes in the sim big enough to run a Gotha through), but after a little bit the whole thing improved to be a fantastic sim all around.

Heck, I remember whole nights with the squadron exchanging config.ini files and working through settings to make IL-2 run properly instead of actually flying with one another, so I'm not suprised on that front, either.

1C: Maddox seems to build and release sims based on systems three years in the future.

lets hope 777 release some WW2 planes

What is equally odd is how few of the fans have admitted an outright sense of disappointment, even though some of the posts are screaming it.

You would think the devs and publishers might at least have implied an apology, if not stated one outright. If I were responsible as senior dev or publisher, I would have walked. True.

(For those of you still saying everything is fine: I have a plot of land on the Moon to sell you....)

Ben

With an engine ten years from the past.

Sorry Dart, but I consider that observation entirely valid. Take a plane up to around 8000ft over london and watch the pop-up grid beneath you. Dark grey inside, pale grey outside. 'Immersion Killer' doesn't begin to do it justice. Old, clunky and about as cutting-edge as a cheese cracker.

just starting mine for Cod for the first time.....

Don't have the sim yet, as I am in the USA.

Dart, I admire your stoicism, but there's a point at which you just have to tell it like it is.

A dev house with no prior releases would be absolutely slaughtered for this, as you know.

Goodwill and reminiscence are all used up.

The project has been handled badly, possibly both internally and externally. A de-brief in months or years to come will show just that, and when, and how.

I am amazed at how many people are determined to enjoy this no matter what.

(Can't be easy flying with gritted teeth!)

A can-do glass-half-full attitude is great, in the right place, and when it's deserved.

Ben

Excuse me.. This is the great Battle of Britain Sim we were promised? wait i guess we were not promised that.

We hoped for hundreds of plane in great battles and guys are having "great fun" with 3 vs 3 ??

I am beginning to doubt this games problems are fixable.

Dart, i know that you dislike me immensly, and i know that you really dont want me to be right about what i have always said, but after you play this game if you are true to yourself, you will begin to see where I have been coming from.

So what do you want?.. we all know there are problems. Taking every other post to cry a bit more won't put it right.
I'm not a blind fan boy, and most people are not thick or retarded, we know the score. We could all post a dozen times each that its not working properly out of the box, but that would solve sod all..
I'll wait for the patches, but if for some reason they don't come, or I can't afford a new rig in the near future then I've wasted some cash.. so what? my life doesn't depend on whether this works ok or not..
God, in my real life I really do deal in life and death issues on a regular basis, and guess what, this isn't one of them!

Cancel your preorder and buy it from Just Flight. Working fine here in Canada and I hear lots of people in the US have done it as well. Then you can see it for yourself.

I find it flyable in single player, a few spikes here and there over land but not game breaking and no worse then I get over cities in FSX. So I personally am not too concerned with performance, but there is an "unfinished" quality to the game. No audio sliders in the menus, unintuitive and cumbersome UI. Radio chatter is appallingly bad with people talking over each other with responses to things not yet said and quite a few more details I won't bother to list here. So it really does need work, but all in all I find the flying and shooting part to be working as well as I expected on a mid level system.

I still prefer RoF though

I think this will be an acquired taste over time.

Right now CoD is a fantastic dog-fighter app. So long as you stay over the water. Fire it up for a few minutes of light relief, much like a game of solitaire or one of those online java games. And that's it. That's all it amounts to right now. Five or six or seven years of work. I get no more out of it than I did with RoF.

"Give it time! Be patient!" Yes, that would be nice. But I can't kid myself that I don't now realise what the engine is, an out-of-date old clunker with pretty bits bolted on. The nail in its coffin was, for me, the 8000ft over London and seeing the pop-up grid. That can't be optimised away. That's old tech and it is what it is. And it has no business being there. No excuses, nada.

We were conned guys. All this "brand new engine" was a play on definition. It's clearly and obviously a modified IL2 engine, I have not one iota of doubt about that. And the pop-up proves it.

Yes, they may get the terrain running smooth, do away with the jerks and stutters, but all that'll achieve is smooth pop-up instead of jerky pop-up. You'll still see a tsunami of buildings, at any altitude, low or high, rushing or creeping away from you as your plane advances. With the grid-line preceding it, dark grey inside and light grey outside.

But I don't think they will cure it. Why? Because that old pop-up engine technology was never designed to cope with the number of buildings we're seeing. New tech does it differently, ala WoP. To do it with old tech requires brute force, and even the latest GPUs don't have the necessary grunt. It's like trying to pull a low-loader with a Ferrari engine. They need to pull the entire terrain component out of the engine and put in something up to date. WoP's. But they won't, because they'll have harvested what they can from release-day sales and that'll be it, game over. Fudge around a bit and then run.

I'll be very happy to be proved wrong, but after seeing that disgraceful latest advert I know I won't. THAT is a naked grab for cash, using *** means.

Just played the game, cant see my fps...unless there is something in game?


The only time this game is playable where you can enjoy yourself is over the sea, even then I found the AI to be quite bad. It does look pretty damn good tho. I never experienced any lock ups or freezes...it did play smooth. But London is a huge FPS drop. Like I say, at sea..it ran quite smooth whilst dog fighting.


my rig

Q9650 Quad core stock at 3.ghz
GTX 470 2GB
4GB Ram
nfroce 780i mobo
vista 32

Hmm my intial impression, playing about 5 hours, is that it has nothing in common with IL2 code, except for external engine sound samples. Are you sure you have the game? lol

Well know we know why they changed the name from;

SOW BoB: The game can't handle a proper BOB scenario for obvious reasons

TO

COD: The only thing you can do with this game is flying around Dover or sea

I thinks the name change was UBI decision so nobody can sue their a$%# off

NB, flying with gritted teeth is required in the Tiger Moth

Oh I cant wait to get my hands on it to test that impression.. because just looking at the vids and screens, it appears to have a TON of things that look similar.

If you order it from Just Flight can you get the Box and DVD ? Or its it download only? I would just as soon give Just Flight my money as anyone else, if everything is in English

whats the difference? aw, i just used up my question quota for today.

Yea, my browser dropped to 6 fps in this thread...

One question for Tree, Werner and nuggetx and the other overtly negative posters, we all know the sim is in ordinary shape and has been released way to early, but please tell me what are you hoping to achieve with your negativity, if no one buys, then it wont have any hope of being fixed?

To be honest, Tree is the closest to being correct on many points although the talk of it being unplayable is incorrect, both werner and nuggetx seem to just blurt out whatever negatives they read on other forums backing it up with nothing at all in fact much of there information is totally wrong and misleading.

It is obvious there are many complaining about the sim, but there are also many that are enjoying it as well, this does not make them all fanboys or anti fanboys, much is the individuals perception of what is acceptable.

So please tell me what your ultimate goals are. I mean what will be achieved if Luthier turned around and said sorry I have lied to you all, the engine is really IL2 with a pretty wrapper on it, it seems that you three in particular are craving some sort of justification for your negative comments, all I want to know is what you are really hoping to achieve by finding everything wrong with the sim, while missing all the good points?

Proof give us some proof, I have played it for quite a few hours and in my opinion it is nothing like Il2, in fact there are things in it that are impossible in Il2 and not even the modders have added because they cant, you have made a big statement again, so now back it up with some proof, pop up also occurs in ROF is that also an old engine modelled on Il2?

You have already been proved wrong on many things Werner, using wop as your example shows your lack of any idea what you are on about, wop is not a new engine much of it is based on Il2, you say pull out the terrain and use wops, that just doesnt work wops viewing area is minute in comparison and although you can't grasp the concept map size makes a lot of difference, honestly you have no idea what you are on about and should just stop posting until you have something sensible to say.

I find it funny that you are demanding proof and calling others liars, yet you state the following:

"wop is not a new engine much of it is based on Il2"

Let me guess, your only proof that WoP is built on the il2 engine is from seeing Oleg's name in the WoP credits? Therefore, and this is digressing a tad, would that then by default mean that the Gajin team is more talented then Oleg's team in the art and sound department?