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#3247327 - 03/26/11 10:35 PM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Freycinet]  
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Haven't mentioned the other aircraft I'd like to see. Felixstowe F2A and Junkers J1. The reason behind the odd choices is that we've covered a lot of fighters and also my internet connection is not as fast as it should be so I'm stuck playing offline.

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#3247349 - 03/26/11 10:48 PM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Freycinet]  
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I was hoping that the Siemens Shucket D.III would be included. She was way better then the Fokker D.vII. But the others are great too.


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#3247496 - 03/27/11 01:18 AM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Freycinet]  
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The Siemens Schuckert was in a very early RoF update, a couple of years ago, as a fan contribution.


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#3247726 - 03/27/11 06:59 AM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Freycinet]  
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Brisfit can be a seller, for the pilots who want to go for a 2seater, rest of the planes, I think not.
Still miss the early war 2seaters if you also want to introduce a decent campaign mode, intercept those late war 2seaters is no fun in your EIII.

#3247866 - 03/27/11 11:36 AM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Freycinet]  
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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
The Siemens Schuckert was in a very early RoF update, a couple of years ago, as a fan contribution.


Yes I know, also include the Sopwith 1 1/2 strutter, Snipe, and others. I have been here from the start when KnOTS was a mere concept.

Just do not get doing a SPAD VII and in different configurations?


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#3247893 - 03/27/11 12:12 PM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: MIG77]  
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The Central CLs should be interesting in multiplayer though. Slow but they were 2 seaters specifically designed for ground attack and treetop furballing.


Yes, Halberstad CLs were famous for their manouverability. They could turn fight with entente planes succesfully.


Now even EIII could turn with early Entente planes succesfully. It eat DH2 and N11 on breakfeast. No need to have Halberstad.

#3247939 - 03/27/11 01:18 PM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Kwiatek]  
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Now even EIII could turn with early Entente planes succesfully. It eat DH2 and N11 on breakfeast. No need to have Halberstad.


Huh? Last time I checked E.III was not CL series aircraft or two seatter. Your point, what ever it is, is totally lost on me.


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#3247980 - 03/27/11 01:54 PM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Freycinet]  
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His point, I imagine, is that it is not worth including the CLs on the grounds of their ability to turnfight since the E.III can out-turn its contemporaries just fine.

Personally, I think that's not a reason to not include the Halbs - they are of historical importance and would help pad out the early years ingame, which are still sorely lacking in aircraft.

#3247983 - 03/27/11 01:56 PM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Freycinet]  
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I think people are confusing the Halberstadt D class single seaters from 1916 with the 1918 2 seat ground attack CL class Halberstadts.

The problem with the EIII is its easy manoeuvrability, bank, pull stick back all the way and round and round you go, a bit like the Albatros and Pfalz DIIIa. The EIII needs to stall if you pull the stick all the way back.

Anyway, even flying the DH2 I find the EIIIs dead meat if you don't stay in a sustained turn with it, flying the NP11 is a turky shoot.


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#3247994 - 03/27/11 02:08 PM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Mogster]  
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Originally Posted By: Mogster
I think people are confusing the Halberstadt D class single seaters from 1916 with the 1918 2 seat ground attack CL class Halberstadts.


Ah, that would explain it.

To others, Halberstad CL.II/IV we were talking are two seatter ground attack planes. In a way similar to Brifits that they were 2 seater "fighters" -> They could fight equal terms against single seat scouts aswell (Brifits with speed, Halberstad CLs with manouverability).


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#3248309 - 03/27/11 07:29 PM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Freycinet]  
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Wow, what a plane set this going to be. Gotta rethink buying Olegs' Battle Of Britain sim. It's just not exciting me, for some reason. Don't know why. And I have to be very selective with my play money, right now. Between the FSX TakPak coming out, by VRS, and all these new planes, I think I'll be a happy flight simmer.


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#3248972 - 03/28/11 10:05 AM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: MIG77]  
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Originally Posted By: MIG77
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I think people are confusing the Halberstadt D class single seaters from 1916 with the 1918 2 seat ground attack CL class Halberstadts.


Ah, that would explain it.

To others, Halberstad CL.II/IV we were talking are two seatter ground attack planes. In a way similar to Brifits that they were 2 seater "fighters" -> They could fight equal terms against single seat scouts aswell (Brifits with speed, Halberstad CLs with manouverability).


You do wonder what the CL series would have been like with a decent engine in the front, something similar to the 200HP+ Hispano. Probably terrorising single seat opposition like the Biff.

Apparently both sides were intending to increase their 2 seat fighter/CAS numbers if the war had continued till 1919. The success of the Biff, CL series and the Caudron R series long range fighters (the Caudrons defending day bombers) seems to have made them the obvious way to go.


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#3249005 - 03/28/11 10:45 AM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Mogster]  
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Caudron R series long range fighters (the Caudrons defending day bombers) seems to have made them the obvious way to go.

I think the Caudron R series would be extermely fun to play and to fight :
Just imagine in multiplayer the Caudron escorting the bombers and trying to position as best as possible against German Fokker DVII trying to penetrate the defense ...
Would be extraordinary !!!

#3249049 - 03/28/11 11:46 AM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Freycinet]  
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Yes, the Caudron R11 would be a nice partner to the Breguet 14, as you say the Caudrons flew as long range escort for the French day bombers.

As a long range heavy fighter (I think they did recon also) it'd bring something different to ROF, SP and MP.


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#3249054 - 03/28/11 11:51 AM Re: Jason: upcoming planes are Brisfit (2 versions), R.E.8, Halberstadt CL.II, SPAD VII (2 versions) and Snipe! [Re: Freycinet]  
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Tha Caudron R11 was initially designed for recon, and I have seen pictures of this aircraft on "recon units airfields"
It could also carry up to 120 kg of bombs (only small size)

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