The FPS counter/console is just one clue. And it's not just 'reasonably similar'....it's identical. Identical not only in form but function.

Look at this screenshot again.....




Look at the radio menu....identical to IL-2 (even down to the same colours, the same font!). Two possibilities...

1: The CoD radio menu system is brand new but for nostalgic reasons the devs have made it look identical to IL-2.

2: The CoD radio menu system is in fact IL-2's radio menu because CoD is an evolution of IL-2.

Which is more likely?

Ask yourself what the odds are of 2 completely different games, separated by 10 years, having such identical (not 'similar') elements if everything is brand new?

These are just two clues. There are many, many more. The pictures we have seen so far scream evolution. Which is fine. It makes sense to build upon a successful and robust base as IL-2.



I don't know.

All i'm doing is looking at the same pictures/videos as everyone else. And to me it's obvious CoD is a souped up version of IL-2. This view is upsetting to a few people (not you Sascha) but i'm hardly alone in this view.

I don't understand all the hoopla about prop visibility. In ROF I think it's very exaggerated. In my 400 hours single engine prop, the only times I've ever seen the prop is when the engine is stopped or when the sun is at a very unfortunate angle (giving a horrendously uncomfortable strobe effect,) which is fortunately easy to fix with a very minor change of direction.

None of these things are game code surely? why wouldn't you use the same picture again, no need to reinvent the wheel.

It's not a question of being upset or not. Of ocurse I'd be upset if a product I bought turns out to be inferior to what the manufacturer has advertised.

What I find questionable is drawing conclusions from circumstantial evidence. Until someone with a lot more programming skills/knowledge than my own (which is practically zero) comes along and conclusively proves that CoD's engine isn't really new, I'm inclined to believe the Devs' statement about the engine being brand new. I mean: If things like the radio-menu or FPS-counter really are dead giveaways, it would be rather stupid of them to make that statement and then release the game with these tell-tale-signs in it.

Besides: Are things like the radio bar or the FPS-display integral to the engine? I mean: you could build a brand-new car-engine and hook up old instruments and an old gaspedal to monitor and control it. That doesn't make the car-engine in question "old".



S.

Well, after what's happened over the last 24 hours all bets are off!

You could certainly hook up old instruments to an new engine.

But you try selling it to the public under the banner "Everything Brand New".

I think having to access the console and manually type fps START SHOW just to get the fps displayed indicates we're interacting with something a bit deeper than 'place-holders'.



Precisely. Couldn't agree more.

So when you hear someone say "Everything new, nothing taken from IL-2" and then someone posts a picture like this.....



....it causes me to pause.

So the console menu and command menu are the same, as are the controls to access them.

For the controls I'd say why would they change something everyone has gotten used to?

Not to mention that there actually could be all new code behind it and you wouldn't know. After all it's just plain text overlaid on the pretty graphics. Even if it's the same code in this instance who cares. How much more efficient could they make the console menu? It's a text input/output command prompt, which is incredibly useful to have access to.

As for giving flight commands I suppose a graphical menu similar to RoF could be used instead of the current 0 - 9 GUI. I think this is the only area where they could have made an improvement. Though RoF isn't light years ahead as far as interface design. They just have graphical buttons that can be clicked.

I know your main issue is that they said "nothing from IL-2". You seem to be unreasonably holding them to an exact black/white definition of this. If they rephrased to "nothing from IL-2 except the console and messaging system" would you feel better?

I just can't believe people focus on an FPS counter instead of the gorgeous game taking up most that screen with winding rivers big and small, lakes, canals and a sprawling city. Not to mention I think you can see a slight curvature of the earth.

gee, is the result of what I read in the interview posted on SimHQ? and that's the part where it is stated that people coming from Il2 should be able to find their way easily in COD....

You guys have stolen this thread,, any thought about staying on topic, it would be respectful to the original poster and anyone else entering this thead hoping to see screenshots

More screenshots!

Agreed...i ask again now in case it was missed.

Sim could you check again if COD only runs on 32bit on 1 core?

cheers.

Another for the wish list Sim,,

Any comments on the AI?

Quick Mission Me110 vs 3 bombers - game pause. Alt-Tab.


Here's what I see.

Pains me to see those idle cores, plus that 32 bit addressing not able to use that memory.

I guess no 64-bit Launcher in the Steam files then?

I didn't see 64 bit launcher.


I just left Task Manager running while playing and it showed one core at 75% and other at 25%. Alt-Tabling doesn't show truth.

This makes me wonder why a game that was meant to be a highly realistic flight-sim from the get-go (read: bound to be CPU-hungry) wasn't designed to take advantage of the available technology (multicore/64-bit). It's not like 64-bit CPUs and OS have become available just a few months ago ...

Screenies from one pass by Bf110C4 on Sunderland. I opened up with everything I got during head-on pass.






Damage model seems pretty impressive. Right wing caught on fire and aileron got ripped off. Crew bailed out as heavy entered a spiraling right turn into channel.

Interesting tid-bit. Tracers actually burn for a small amount of time after hitting target.

Those strikes on the Sunderland look awesome...

Sim, how does the terrain fair up in your opinion? Thanks for posting these pics and answering the questions too. IMHO, you are the only tangible and credible link to the game ATM.