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#3238821 - 03/19/11 04:08 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Redcoalition]  
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Hmmm, not seen any tracer, or smoke trail in this video (might because of resolution)...
it might simply rusted during flight.
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#3238847 - 03/19/11 04:42 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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AFAIK a MANPAD missile does not produce smoke on later flight stages...
And the explosion isn't a sign of AAA.
I think it was a SA-7 friendly-fire. AFP confirmed it was an rebel plane.
Don't think it was a larger SAM. The explosion is too small for a V-601, or a V-755, etc...

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#3238855 - 03/19/11 04:51 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Redcoalition]  
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AFAIK a MANPAD missile does not produce smoke on later flight stages...
I think it was a SA-7 friendly-fire.


Hmmm...
... can be, but the smoke trail should be there.


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#3238863 - 03/19/11 04:58 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Even on this video you can see the smoke-trail...



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#3238903 - 03/19/11 05:30 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Hmmm, i think the launcher was behind the buildings... So the camera couldn't provide the image of the smoketrail.
But i dunno, it's just a suposition.

#3239342 - 03/20/11 12:43 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/19/operation-odyssey-dawn-tomahawks-libya

It's reasonable to assume now that not a single operational SAM site exists.

#3241722 - 03/22/11 03:32 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: PLCC]  
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Hmmm...

Those Northern African airspace is very-very corrosive.
screwy

Earlier I put here a corroded Volhov (20DSU) missile, than a MiG-23MS fallen, now an F-15E is also bitten dust because of mechanical failure.
(Just remember NATO's first reaction after F117 lost over Serbia)





Last edited by Hpasp; 03/23/11 01:05 AM.

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#3242367 - 03/23/11 04:21 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3244185 - 03/24/11 07:57 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I have a question on S-200. Why the RPC have a NRZ (IFF) antenna but there's no indicators (besides the plotting board) that the target is actually a friendly or a foe?! I mean, if there is an IFF antena, the radar operators should know if they're tracking a friendly or a foe, isn't it?!

#3244866 - 03/25/11 06:06 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I have a question on S-200. Why the RPC have a NRZ (IFF) antenna but there's no indicators (besides the plotting board) that the target is actually a friendly or a foe?! I mean, if there is an IFF antena, the radar operators should know if they're tracking a friendly or a foe, isn't it?!

The primary mode of target acqusition is using the IADS (where we know our target).
Anything else is only backup solution.

In Hungary, we not bought the IFF for the RPC at all.
(Now, both are in a museum at Kecel)


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#3244886 - 03/25/11 06:40 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Here you go with the controls of the IFF system.


In the simulator, IFF functionality is not modelled at any of the systems, but you can find the related switches/buttons.
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Last edited by Hpasp; 03/25/11 07:08 AM.

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#3244980 - 03/25/11 09:55 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: PLCC]  
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Air defense in real life...



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#3245981 - 03/25/11 08:56 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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The primary mode of target acqusition is using the IADS (where we know our target).
Anything else is only backup solution.

In Hungary, we not bought the IFF for the RPC at all.
(Now, both are in a museum at Kecel)


I see.. But the manual says that little antenna on side of the RPC is the IFF receiver. I thought it was organic from the S-200!
Very good, thanks for the info.

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#3246961 - 03/26/11 05:04 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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P-15 (Flat Face) low altitude target acquisition radar...
... I would suspect an S-125M Neva (SA-3B) SAM battery around.
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#3246970 - 03/26/11 05:13 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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P-19 (Flat Face-B) low altitude target acqusition radar installation by civilians at the Hungarian Air Defense Museum, Zsambek.



Myself, and several original SAMSIM testers (Ex Fire Control Officers / Battery Commanders) are participating...
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ps: Sorry for the music...

Last edited by Hpasp; 03/26/11 06:15 PM.

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#3248028 - 03/27/11 02:39 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Very cool video.
Hpasp, this is the normal procedure for the P-19 installation? Looks pretty complicated for a mobile radar station... How much time for the deployment?!
If someday i go to Hungary, this museum is a must-go!

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#3248850 - 03/28/11 05:52 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Redcoalition]  
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Hpasp, this is the normal procedure for the P-19 installation? Looks pretty complicated for a mobile radar station... How much time for the deployment?!

Nonono!!!
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It is like, when civilians try to do it without tools / documentation / training.


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#3248855 - 03/28/11 06:05 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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It might be a no news for some, I just wanted to make sure, that everybody knows it...
... in the current version, you can have a quick look at the SA-75MK Dvina (SA-2F Guideline), and the ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka panels.

At the Shilka, use push "Z" for Commanders panel, "X" for Angle Officer, "C" for Range Officer.
You can exit by pressing "Esc", of find the "Power Off" button on the Commanders panel.



At the Dvina, "Q", "A", "Z" is similar to the Volhov.
To exit, the "Power Off" button is at the same place, as in the Volhov.


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3257825 - 04/03/11 09:45 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Quote:
Will support any Monitor resolution at or above 1280x1024.


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notworthy notworthy notworthy

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#3257898 - 04/03/11 11:29 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Update on SAMSIM development
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1, Add the possibility to select between more missile types for a system.
These missiles will fly within 1% of real firing range data.
V-755 20DSU and V-759 5Ya23 for the Volhov.
V-601P 5V27U and V-601PD 5V27D for the Neva.

2, Will support any Monitor resolution at or above 1280x1024.
(I recently bought a 1920x1080 display smile

3, Include NASA digital terrain model (90m horizontal resolution), to simulate realistic earth clutter
Readiness: Volhov - 90%, Neva - 50%, KRUG - 0%

Volhov without SDC (Moving Target Indicator)


Same with SDC-1.


Last edited by Hpasp; 04/03/11 11:29 AM.

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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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