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#3219328 - 02/26/11 10:02 PM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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The one in WOP doesn't seem to have hood fasteners. Arcade-level error for the Xbox generation. popcorn

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#3219331 - 02/26/11 10:06 PM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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The CoD 109 has far greater detail, the lighting in the CoD shot is much better, more natural. The CoD 109 just needs a better, slightly weathered, skin.

I agree the WOP pilot looks better.


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#3219360 - 02/26/11 11:02 PM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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I cant wait to play this and adjust the settings on my monitor if I have to smile


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#3219382 - 02/26/11 11:30 PM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: dude163]  
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Originally Posted By: dude163
I cant wait to play this and adjust the settings on my monitor if I have to smile



I can't wait to see you adjust the cockpit hood,pilot and model painting on 109 on your monitor.

#3219388 - 02/26/11 11:34 PM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: dude163]  

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Originally Posted By: dude163
I cant wait to play this and adjust the settings on my monitor if I have to smile

Heretic, everybody knows that all monitors are calibrated at the factory to display the exact same colours regardless of make, model or local light conditions.

#3219432 - 02/27/11 12:29 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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Originally Posted By: nuggetx
I cannot believe that color and saturation were made so the planes look like some plasteel toys.

Look at the yellow nose, the bloom , color and lightning is WAY OFF.


The color saturation - filter - is fine and I would like it to be turned up a notch like WoP and even some Crysis mods have. The colors give you the feeling as if you are in the 1940s sky over Britain and not flying a refurbished Spit/109 flying over Britain for a 2011 air show.

Why do you think Band of Brothers was such a success and copied by other movies and game studios? Who can forget Schindler's List?


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#3219453 - 02/27/11 12:53 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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Ok here's my attempt to make CoD look like WoP.. It's easy, increase the contrast, a lot. Decrease the saturation, a little.
Mess about with the hue, for a bit... Ends up like this.

Please note: I'm not saying that I want it to look like this, but it does bring out a lot of detail that is hard to see otherwise




Seriously tho if I have one criticism of CoD it's that the blacks aren't black enough, but a quick tweak of your contrast settings sorts that out quite well. It's just a question of taste in the end, all the details seem to be there.

#3219483 - 02/27/11 01:48 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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Originally Posted By: nuggetx
Originally Posted By: dude163
I cant wait to play this and adjust the settings on my monitor if I have to smile



I can't wait to see you adjust the cockpit hood,pilot and model painting on 109 on your monitor.



I cant wait to not care about insignificant details


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#3219486 - 02/27/11 01:54 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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Originally Posted By: nuggetx
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/2/7/5/0903572.jpg









The WOP one looks like the one in real photo,,, cannot be done??? real planes in 10 years? nay sayers pls go away.


The Oleg moddeler team were probably under influence of SpitGirl or some other 2 week vodka party.....


(and pls don't bring stupid argument that WOP is arcade, PROPER colors and modelling can be done in any game)


wtf are you talking about. The yellow in the WoP pic is not near close to the real one.....
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#3219497 - 02/27/11 02:15 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: Richardg]  
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Originally Posted By: Richardg
The screenshot looks identical to the photo. Notice the photo is presenting the shadow side of the plane. The screenshot is presenting the sunny side of the plane.


Exactly... Let's compare some other shots of the same real plane with Olegs friggin excellent 109...







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#3219507 - 02/27/11 02:42 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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Originally Posted By: nuggetx

The WOP one looks like the one in real photo,,, cannot be done??? real planes in 10 years? nay sayers pls go away.


The Oleg moddeler team were probably under influence of SpitGirl or some other 2 week vodka party.....


(and pls don't bring stupid argument that WOP is arcade, PROPER colors and modelling can be done in any game)


Have you have calibrated the colors of your monitor? I just don't understand how you can think that the Band of Brothers sepia nuked WOP shot looks more "real" than the CoD beta?

And by the way - if you understand diddley about white balance in photos - please have a look again at the "evidence photo" you presented... A hint, look at stuff you KNOW should be pure white like the text "14" on the side and see if it is clean white...


#3219512 - 02/27/11 02:50 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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Mazex you're just a fanboyx. And your apparently 'real' 109 has no hood fasteners.

#3219522 - 02/27/11 03:27 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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Have you seriously nothing better to do or complain about ?

-Those yellow wingtips are squad specific markings that not all Emils involved in the BoB sported. Hence why they're not there on the DoD planes from the pic.

-The camo pattern is a just a camouflage pattern, by the end of the Summer of 1940 you couldn't have found a pair of 109s that sported the exact same pattern due to panels being replaced and worn out paint being painted over, and there were many different factory and field applied pattern variations. Several of these are represented in DoD as evidenced by other preview screens. Don't like this one ? pick another !
Your complain equals posting just one screenshot to comlain about how RAF fighters seem to all sport a Type A pattern and then argue Oleg's wrong by posting just one other picture of another plane painted in the Type B pattern.

-Who's to say which of the screenshot or the pic is wrong ? Can you prove with absolute certainty that no filters/edits were used on the pic ?

-That shadow/lighting argument : Season ? Time of day ? Light side or Shadow side ? The screenshot and the pic could represent very different settings.

That 'real picture' is a picture of a restored 109, and is not from 1940. LW historians and skinners have been pulling their hair out for years about the proper shades of LW camouflage and markings, especially the field applied camos and recognition marks. And everytime they think they got it right, some new evidence pops up proving them wrong.

Accurate photo evidence from that era is very hard to find. Pics from back then were in black and white, when not sepia, colour photography still being somewhat of an obscure science except for a few rare shots, and there was nothing genuine from that era left to take pictures of by the time they invented digital photography. Some thorough research has to be done when attempting to paint an aircraft as accurately as possible, and the results are often quite surprising : For instance, did you know the Red Baron was more likely the 'Dark Orange' Baron ? Knowing that, would you like your Richtoffen Dreidecker in RoF painted Orange for accuracy, or Red because it feels more 'right' according to your own personnal idea of how it should look ? Was the late war 'Grauviolet' more Grau or was it rather Violet ? Could you describe to me what the RAF SkyS colour used in 1940 looked like ?

So look up the 'LW Yellow' (or any other early war LW colours for that matter) on skinning and scale modelling websites, the actual shades might not be exactly what you had in mind.

The colours displayed in the pics represent the most commonly accepted consensus about LW colours from that era, and they look just fine by me. Besides, as someone pointed out before, this is the result of a modelling job that had to include some part of personnal interpretation at some stage (which is the beauty of it, and makes you prefer some skins over others, some skins artists' style more appealing to you than others...), and they got it just right IMO : everything fits nicely together and looks as accurate as I personally could have hoped from a sim that's been years in the making.

But please note that is just my personnal opinion, that I realise is based on much more interrogations than concrete answers, and Oleg's interpretation of things just happens to be somewhat close to my own. What kind of evidence do you have that is so strong it can back up your claim that the colours are all as wrong as you think they are ?
Perhaps some of the seasonned skinners out there who spent copious time researching the subject for their projects would like to make a comment which would be -no doubt- a lot more educated than mine or nuggetx's ?

In any case, those paintjobs and colours look a lot more convincing and a hell of a lot better researched than any default LW skins in Il-2, and that's a very good surprise indeed for vanilla textures.

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#3219535 - 02/27/11 04:15 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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Please no pea soup filter like in WoP. Worst gimmick since lens flare.

And 1940 GB had the same levels of color saturation as 2011 GB. They didn't suddenly invent a richer pallet for Planet Earth in the 1950's.


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#3219550 - 02/27/11 05:19 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted By: Dart
Please no pea soup filter like in WoP. Worst gimmick since lens flare.

And 1940 GB had the same levels of color saturation as 2011 GB. They didn't suddenly invent a richer pallet for Planet Earth in the 1950's.


I'm telling you why movie produces, photographers, and game developers - mainly those that produce console games - use filters. It gives you the feeling you are back in time and not flying in 2011 GB fighting the imaginary Luftwaffe. I'm also sure it does more than give you a historical experience, but it might also help with performance and hiding flaws.

Originally Posted By: mazex
Have you have calibrated the colors of your monitor? I just don't understand how you can think that the Band of Brothers sepia nuked WOP shot looks more "real" than the CoD beta?


No one is arguing that it looks real or realistic. What we are saying, well most of us anyway, is that it looks more believable. The colors set the mood of being back in the 1940s.

Why is that? Maybe Band of Brothers and even the Memphis Belle has a lot to do with it.

Originally Posted By: mazex
And by the way - if you understand diddley about white balance in photos - please have a look again at the "evidence photo" you presented... A hint, look at stuff you KNOW should be pure white like the text "14" on the side and see if it is clean white...


In all honesty, photography has changed a lot since the 1990s. No one really uses W/B anymore, unless you are a wedding photographer.

More and more photographers and video gurus are going for that 1970s film look.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/195/7/a/Follow_by_kyu_to.jpg


#3219561 - 02/27/11 05:31 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: mazex]  
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Originally Posted By: mazex
Exactly... Let's compare some other shots of the same real plane with Olegs friggin excellent 109...




Yeah, but the GRASS is too green in the photo!

LMAO.

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#3219562 - 02/27/11 05:34 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted By: Dart
Please no pea soup filter like in WoP. Worst gimmick since lens flare.

And 1940 GB had the same levels of color saturation as 2011 GB. They didn't suddenly invent a richer pallet for Planet Earth in the 1950's.


Yeah, and Bob Guccione is dead so leave behind the smeared Vaseline on the lens look. hahaha


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#3219580 - 02/27/11 06:21 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: FozzyBear]  
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Originally Posted By: FozzyBear

Originally Posted By: mazex
Have you have calibrated the colors of your monitor? I just don't understand how you can think that the Band of Brothers sepia nuked WOP shot looks more "real" than the CoD beta?


No one is arguing that it looks real or realistic. What we are saying, well most of us anyway, is that it looks more believable. The colors set the mood of being back in the 1940s.

Why is that? Maybe Band of Brothers and even the Memphis Belle has a lot to do with it.


But, but, but... - We don't want to play a sim that looks like an old movie, do we? As if colours didn't exist back in 1940. Children the age of 8 and below might think that, when they look at B/W photos, but surely the rest of humanity agrees that a sim should just have lifelike present-day colours, even though it is placed in 1940?

BTW, I think they chose that canopy version for reasons of visibility. The other, heavier canopy would be quite easy to look out of in Real Life, because pilots can just move their heads around. In a sim, even for those of us with TIR, it would be an unrealistically annoying impediment to our view of the outside world.

Since both canopy types existed and were used in the BoB they went for the one with max. visibility. My guess, anyway.


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#3219594 - 02/27/11 06:45 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: nuggetx]  
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I've been watching this forum for years and have been amused by a lot of the complaints that arise. This one takes the cake. I think Oleg's 109 looks terrific. To give everyone some perspective of how far combat sims have come, this is an image of a BF-109 I flew way back during my Combat Flight Simulator 1 days. Look! No hood fasteners and the color saturation is all wrong. Guess what, I enjoyed the heck out of the game!




No game will ever be flawless. We should all just be thankful these games are being made in the first place. If you don't like how it's being made, perhaps your time would be better invested in college courses so you can learn how to produce your own flight simulator instead of whining about what you don't like on forums.


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#3219596 - 02/27/11 06:48 AM Re: Colors and saturation are way off [Re: Flyboy4612]  
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I've been watching this forum for years and have been amused by a lot of the complaints that arise. This one takes the cake. I think Oleg's 109 looks terrific. To give everyone some perspective of how far combat sims have come, this is an image of a BF-109 I flew way back during my Combat Flight Simulator 1 days. Look! No hood fasteners and the color saturation is all wrong. Guess what, I enjoyed the heck out of the game!




No game will ever be flawless. We should all just be thankful these games are being made in the first place. If you don't like how it's being made, perhaps your time would be better invested in college courses so you can learn how to produce your own flight simulator instead of whining about what you don't like on forums.




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