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#3620251 - 08/04/12 07:21 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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some qouestion is my mindetuner some problem with sa-2E + RWR radar


hi guys.... right now i was trying sa-2E and sa-3 goa in first scenario in line break II....
i have no problem with sa-3! c-125 has realy good handle but when i lock in jamer target like phantom f-4! with sa-2E i cant hit them! i see my 3daar and i seen when my missile launched target diving to earth and at that moment my sa-2e missile missed! why? because sa-2E cant cover any target under 100m? sigh



this qouestion is different popcorn and i intersting why one fighter armed with RWR radar and when i launch missile he know it and going down for run from my missile but why any sam system do not armed with kinde of RWR radar when one fighter launch harm or arm or shrike i understand at that moment one anti-radiation missile come to me! why?

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#3620254 - 08/04/12 07:35 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
some qouestion is my mindetuner RWR radar + some problem with sa-2E


hi guys.... right now i was trying sa-2E and sa-3 goa in first scenario in line break II....
i have no problem with sa-3! c-125 has realy good handle but when i lock in jamer target like phantom f-4! with sa-2E i cant hit them! i see my 3daar and i seen when my missile launched target diving to earth and at that moment my sa-2e missile missed! why? because sa-2E cant cover any target under 100m? sigh

Which guidance mode do you use? UPR, K or TT?

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this qouestion is different popcorn and i intersting why one fighter armed with RWR radar and when i launch missile he know it and going down for run from my missile but why any sam system do not armed with kinde of RWR radar when one fighter launch harm or arm or shrike i understand at that moment one anti-radiation missile come to me! why?

Because HARM, Shrike or any other anti-radiation missiles has passive radar homing. They do not emit anything, and therefore, it is impossible to detect them in passive mode, like RWR do. It is possible, in theory, to develop a radar that will be able to detect these missiles, but this will emit in microwave band and therefore will easily become the target for HARMs itself.

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#3620258 - 08/04/12 07:51 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Lonewolf357]  
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for jamer target usualy t/t mode used! and i set altitude of target by manual ... but when target diving to the earth and missile missed or crash...!
about passive radar homing .....! i have not any info about this giudance method! but i realy impresive jawdrop after pass around more than 30 years no sam system can't delevope RWR radar for detect any anti-radiation launched missile mycomputer

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#3620520 - 08/05/12 08:01 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
for jamer target usualy t/t mode used! and i set altitude of target by manual ... but when target diving to the earth and missile missed or crash...!

Yes, S-75 has serious difficulties engaging targets that use a dive to low altitude as evasive maneuver. The K mode gives much better chance than TT, though. And set the fuse to either NLC mode (against low-alt. targets) or detonation from K3 mode. This won't give you 100% probability, but will greatly increase your chances.

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about passive radar homing .....! i have not any info about this giudance method! but i realy impresive after pass around more than 30 years no sam system can't delevope RWR radar for detect any anti-radiation launched missile


I guess that modern, high-performance target acquisition radars, such as those used with S-300, Buk or similar systems, will have no problem detecting anti-radiation missiles. Actually, the P-14 radar in the sim clearly detects HARMs at ranges long enough to avoid them by switching your transmitter off. In several cases I even managed to acqure that HARM and shoot it down with S-200.

#3621128 - 08/06/12 11:09 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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They use only the airframe and installed new electronics and so into it....

#3621189 - 08/06/12 01:19 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Here, records from the court about Tu-154 of Siberia - on russian, I believe:
http://www.mediafire.com/?wpmga50c2mpfba1

#3621965 - 08/07/12 06:15 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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The question is why on the Website version 0.925, and 0.924 for download only

#3621976 - 08/07/12 06:31 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: max2012]  
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0.925 will be released within few minutes...
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3621982 - 08/07/12 06:37 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Yes, what problems I can understand!

Just thought I forgot to change the

#3621988 - 08/07/12 06:44 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Your simulator, when I first saw it I immediately liked him!

Tip "Piston79" I was able to knock down SR-71 Dvina.

Thanks to him and you told me you both for many tasks suggested!

Question for Missions "Cairo 1970"

Not all of the Mission are available

#3621992 - 08/07/12 06:47 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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SAM Simulator (v0.925) is released

Adding two more historical Operation Allied Force Scenarios, with the possibility to face the best of the breed US planes (B-2A, F-15C, F-16CJ, F-16CG, RQ-1) above Belgrade...

http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/





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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3621995 - 08/07/12 06:54 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thank you see!

#3622021 - 08/07/12 07:34 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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look! wow biggrin tnQ mr.hpasp.... realy nice work...

i think after develop OAF scenario's time to move to develop one standard system clapping salute

the end: realy realy realy tnQ for new release thumbsup

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#3622062 - 08/07/12 08:47 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Wow! Thank you, Hpasp! thumbsup

#3622355 - 08/08/12 11:36 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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The question, but where the B-2A in the Mission?

#3622412 - 08/08/12 01:17 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012

The question, but where the B-2A in the Mission?


Just listen, and when you hear the GAM detonations, you know, its above Belgrade...
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3623376 - 08/09/12 08:03 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Must read book...
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3623405 - 08/09/12 08:54 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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hpasp... could u intreduce kub panel for us from this picture dizzy

i guess number 1 is one panel like sa-4 tracking target
number 2 : i dont know .... who's know?:D
and number 3: is 2 different channel for tracking 2 target together ready

of course that notice's was my personal guess im not sure confused



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#3623604 - 08/10/12 03:22 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Described here by East Germans:
http://www.flak11.de/1S91_1.htm

So far, this is the best site I found about the KUB:
http://www.flak11.de/2K12-Start.htm


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3623743 - 08/10/12 11:59 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Another try at two targets:
The first one is destroyed correctly.
After acquisition of the second one, no missiles was actually show, only marks at the lower edge of the screen as it was mention by I think Lonewolf. I changed launcher to PU2 and fired again. Both missiles hit the target....

Click to reveal..
Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk

S-125M1 Neva


00:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

01:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

00:03:00, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 23km
Target azimuth: 70
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 996m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:03:06, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 21km
Target azimuth: 70
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 996m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:03:24, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 2m)

00:03:28, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 3m)

00:04:18, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 16km
Target azimuth: 82
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 665m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:04:23, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 14km
Target azimuth: 83
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 567m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:04:49, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 7km
Target azimuth: 95
Target elevation: 5
Target altitude: 727m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:04:54, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 6km
Target azimuth: 104
Target elevation: 6
Target altitude: 738m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:04:59, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 32m)

00:05:04, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 101m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 5min 0sec

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