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#3199041 - 02/05/11 01:02 AM Re: Update is out [Re: Oilburner]  
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I was looking at a "blueprint" (sketch) on wikipedia and it showed that the big "box" between the pilot and rear gunner was basically a bomb bay. I assumed this was the fuel tank. I'm thinking the version we have is the version where the fuel tank was moved to the fuselage to get it away from the engines. Can anybody clarify?? My guess is that in earlier models this was a bomb bay but in later models this was the fuel tank and all bombs were carried externally....but just a guess.

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#3199042 - 02/05/11 01:03 AM Re: Update is out [Re: Oilburner]  
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#3199106 - 02/05/11 02:43 AM Re: Update is out [Re: Oilburner]  
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Adverse yaw so great that I use right aileron to go left.

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#3199113 - 02/05/11 02:59 AM Re: Update is out [Re: Oilburner]  
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What a beast! Anything under 110km and it yaws horribly and irrevocably. I finally got off the grounad and made several strafing passes at the trucks. What's tough is that the flight envelope is unbelievable small. I can barely climb the thing for fear of stalling. In my lone flight (as opposed to the multiple crashes before I cleared the runway) I don't think that I made it over 600 meters.

It's fun though.

#3199154 - 02/05/11 04:46 AM Re: Update is out [Re: Avimimus]  
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Originally Posted By: Avimimus
Originally Posted By: arjisme
Originally Posted By: Avimimus
Do gunners strafe?

Yes they do. I just flew the Fly Now mission with the Gotha and happened to fly low and near a convey. Both gunners engaged the ground targets.


Excellent! Now I'm really excited!


FYI, I couldn't get the gunners to strafe.

Arjisme, What was the exact situation in which this happened?

#3199168 - 02/05/11 05:27 AM Re: Update is out [Re: Avimimus]  
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Originally Posted By: Avimimus
Arjisme, What was the exact situation in which this happened?

I flew the Fly Now mission for the Gotha. I took off and flew toward Lille and there is a convoy on the road along the way. I was still low and the front gunner started shooting. That's when I realized I was near the convoy. As I flew on he no longer had an angle to shoot at so he stopped. But the rear gunner then did have the angle so he opened fire. I then tried flying in gentle circles around the convoy position and as long as the gunners had a line of sight, they fired at the ground targets.

#3199184 - 02/05/11 06:07 AM Re: Update is out...Gotha! [Re: Oilburner]  
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Loving this plane!!!! I've been buying all the planes but haven't really been playing for some time. Definitely back into it.


#3199260 - 02/05/11 10:51 AM Re: Update is out...Gotha! [Re: K-Style]  
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Wow, under the bridge with the Gotha? You must be the first one, most of us have gotten killed a few times over jusst trying to take off or land this bird. Congratulations!

#3199294 - 02/05/11 12:34 PM Re: Update is out...Gotha! [Re: walter7]  
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It's challenging but if you keep the speed up it flies ok.

#3199296 - 02/05/11 12:44 PM Re: Update is out [Re: arjisme]  
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Originally Posted By: arjisme
Originally Posted By: Avimimus
Arjisme, What was the exact situation in which this happened?

I flew the Fly Now mission for the Gotha. I took off and flew toward Lille and there is a convoy on the road along the way. I was still low and the front gunner started shooting. That's when I realized I was near the convoy. As I flew on he no longer had an angle to shoot at so he stopped. But the rear gunner then did have the angle so he opened fire. I then tried flying in gentle circles around the convoy position and as long as the gunners had a line of sight, they fired at the ground targets.


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#3199708 - 02/05/11 11:14 PM Re: Update is out...Gotha! [Re: Oilburner]  
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This might be related to the AI settings. I was originally flying in the QMB (where bombers dogfight). In the Flynow mission the gunners do attack (but bombers fly in straight lines.

#3200084 - 02/06/11 02:25 PM Re: Update is out [Re: Catfish]  
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I truly believe the flight dynamics on this airplane needs to be reworked, the nosing over on landing and stalling characteristics are way overdone, it shouldn't fly like a trainer, but when not even the AI autopilot can't land this bird, it means there is something wrong. Too bad, the airplane is so well done.

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#3200798 - 02/07/11 09:46 AM Re: Update is out [Re: walter7]  
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Originally Posted By: walter7
I truly believe the flight dynamics on this airplane needs to be reworked, the nosing over on landing and stalling characteristics are way overdone, it shouldn't fly like a trainer, but when not even the AI autopilot can't land this bird, it means there is something wrong. Too bad, the airplane is so well done.


It's not without reason that the later versions of the G.V had additional landing gear to cope with the nosing over on landing.

#3200820 - 02/07/11 11:02 AM Re: Update is out [Re: Oilburner]  
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Only one of lots of Gothas which crashed at landing, usually doing a noseover .. they built appx. 240 Gothas, but there were certainly also AEGs, FFs and the Zeppelin giant planes.


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#3200841 - 02/07/11 12:29 PM Re: Update is out [Re: Catfish]  
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Still having fun. Landing is tricky but then I'm not usually trying to land where it's flat.


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#3200922 - 02/07/11 02:23 PM Re: Update is out [Re: Oilburner]  
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I'm loving ground attack - there is nothing like creeping up on a river boat - your gunner firing suppressing bursts as its cannon bursts land nearby, and then placing three bombs in the water beside it.
This thing is a gunship!

#3200925 - 02/07/11 02:25 PM Re: Update is out [Re: K-Style]  
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What, no victory roll? rofl

#3201022 - 02/07/11 04:15 PM Re: Update is out [Re: walter7]  
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Originally Posted By: walter7
What, no victory roll? rofl


You're so mean ! Heaving this thing up in the air at all is hard enough (for me), let alone landing lol
rofl

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#3201418 - 02/07/11 10:06 PM Re: Update is out [Re: Oilburner]  
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Originally Posted By: Oilburner
I was looking at a "blueprint" (sketch) on wikipedia and it showed that the big "box" between the pilot and rear gunner was basically a bomb bay. I assumed this was the fuel tank. I'm thinking the version we have is the version where the fuel tank was moved to the fuselage to get it away from the engines. Can anybody clarify?? My guess is that in earlier models this was a bomb bay but in later models this was the fuel tank and all bombs were carried externally....but just a guess.


Not sure where that image comes from, but I would guess its an 'artists impression' of the Gotha from early on before actual examples were captured.
I.e. a image for journals and newspapers about what the new blitz bomber threat might look like.

They appear to think the main bombload was carried internally like in the 0/400. Presumably on the grounds that if the RFC did that then the Germans probably did too. Or that any big area like that must be used for something - so bombs were the obvious answer.
Whilst the GIV did carry a couple of racks in the mid section, the main load was carried externally underneath. On the GIV the fuel tanks were under the engines - the nacelles going right down to the wing. On the GV in ROF however the nacelles are on struts above the wings so the fuel will presumably have been moved to the middle box (will check up on this).
The GV also lacks the internal bomb racks of the GIV - again indicative of the space being used for fuel not bombs.

Also they are confused as to the layout of the rear tunnel.
Early on there was an awareness of the tunnel amongst the RFC, but no firm knowledge at first. One of the RFC pilots records a Gotha being downed at night. They wanted to check it in daylight to see if there really was a tunnel. But some idiot dropped a cigartte on the wreck and ignited the spilled petrol and burnt it out. They were not happy at the chance to examine it being lost. So at that point they had some idea about such features, but no firm knowledge.

The gangway is also on the wrong side - they must have been aware of it, but once again not had the firm details.
So the sketch may be from that 'what we we think it looked like' period.

(See the Wingnut Gotha instructions for a Gotha GIV layout includingthe intenal bomb racks - http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/product?productid=3006 )


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Thanks for the info!

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