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#3195590 - 02/01/11 07:02 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day ***** [Re: vintorez]  
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on A screen: the black one with "C" (up) and "R" (down). I can see some effect on the display, but I don't understand it.

One of the early phases of the Vietnam War, US was jamming the missile beacon channel.
For a few months, all launched missile were lost.
The missiles were field modified to the V-750VM standard, that effectively made this type of jamming method obsolete.

That switch is from this time.

Before transmission and missile launch, switching this switch to "R" (Missile) you can see, if the enemy is jamming the missile tracking frequency. Switching this witch to "C" (Target) you can see, if the enemy is jamming the target tracking frequency.
In the middle "standard" state, we can see both the missile, and the target tracking frequency channels.


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#3197057 - 02/03/11 05:05 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Hpasp]  
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So does the S-75's MTI switch do anything, or not?

#3197104 - 02/03/11 07:01 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: PLCC]  
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In the current version not.

Before the "other SAMs into the SIM" fewer, one development possibility was to stick with the S-75M3 Volhov only, and integrate the NASA digital elevation map (SRTM) into the program.
If it would happened, there would have been realistic ground clutter displayed, and SDC (MTI) would be realistically modeled.



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#3197183 - 02/03/11 12:03 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Some good news...
... the next version of the SAM Simulator will be released before the end of this weekend.

163. ZRBR, Loburg, DDR


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#3197665 - 02/03/11 08:36 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Hpasp]  
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That's great to hear, I'm really looking forward to the Gammon.

#3197807 - 02/03/11 11:15 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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I think adding clutter in would be interesting - hampering the really low angle shots a bit... I think I could wait for the Dvina to get that wink

#3198189 - 02/04/11 08:07 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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I would be interested in Your opinion about the possible SAMSIM development paths...

1, Add ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka, with the 1986 El Dorado Canyon, and some War of Attrition scenarios.
2, Add SA-75MK Dvina with realistic Vietnam and War of Attrition scenarios.
3, Add the NASA Digital Elevation Model, to have realistic ground clutter.

Each of the above options would take around a year of development...

grunt

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#3198209 - 02/04/11 09:14 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Add the terrain first. It's going to be useful for anything that you may ever do, after that. And while you're at it, include the DTED format.

Add the Shilka only if you want to branch also into the area of mobile air defense platforms. That might open a big can of worms. But hey, maybe we can also talk about creating a network connection to Steel Beasts so that the vehicle movement could be done there in a tactical context while the air defense operator would run your software to simulate the engagement of the aerial targets. There's probably a big can of worms hidden in that, somewhere, too. Still - contact me (my forum name here @eSimGames.com) if you're interested.


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#3198269 - 02/04/11 12:03 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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I think (3) is the best option. A Digital Elevation Model would be useful for all the plataforms and knowing that looks like the hardest option i think that it would be best do it first!
Then, add another vehicles/maps.

I also think that the Shilka should be developed just when you have the condition to implement a 3D environment on the sim... That's what i think..

#3198278 - 02/04/11 12:23 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Yup, 3,2,1 and ADA in SB sounds really interesting smile - and then I'd choose 3,1,2

#3198282 - 02/04/11 12:43 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Something i would preffer first than the development of the Shilka: Increase S-75M3 complexity + advanced manual.
That would made me very happy smile

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#3198489 - 02/04/11 04:00 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
I would be interested in Your opinion about the possible SAMSIM development paths...

1, Add ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka, with the 1986 El Dorado Canyon, and some War of Attrition scenarios.
2, Add SA-75MK Dvina with realistic Vietnam and War of Attrition scenarios.
3, Add the NASA Digital Elevation Model, to have realistic ground clutter.

Each of the above options would take around a year of development...

grunt


Actually, first, as soon as the S-200 comes out (please don't say you found some last minute bug and so it'll be next week or something), write out the Advanced Manual - it is IMO quite un-nerving to have all those undefined clickable buttons. Then do 3 then 1. Don't worry too much about 2 (really, I'm sure that we can be given the small handicap of using an advanced SAM model) smile

#3198520 - 02/04/11 04:33 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: arkhangelsk]  
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Actually, first, as soon as the S-200 comes out (please don't say you found some last minute bug and so it'll be next week or something)...
cowboy

I can promise, that there will be bugs incorporated, as in any software...

The code, and the English/Hungarian manual is ready, just waiting for the Russian manual...
... it will be released pretty soon.

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#3198668 - 02/04/11 07:21 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Personally, I'd like to see the Gammon released, the S-75 advanced manual written, and then 3, 2, and finally 1. On another note, I think it'd be very cool to see this linked with SB Pro PE! If you haven't already, you should make that same offer to DCS, Ssnake.

As for any bugs with the Gammon, I'm sure they'll be short lived. I'm sure there's quite a few people eagerly waiting to beta test. ;D

#3198725 - 02/04/11 08:17 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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SAM Simulator + DCS would be REALLY great! In fact, it would be epic. Maybe the first "ground - air" simulation with a big level of detail/realism.
But I think it is for a further stage in the development of SAM Simulator.

#3198995 - 02/05/11 12:16 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Originally Posted By: NaiseFail
I think it'd be very cool to see this linked with SB Pro PE! If you haven't already, you should make that same offer to DCS, Ssnake.

With virtual simulations that both render 3D environments it is a lot more challenging to do, actually. As long as you only have to coordinate the radar of the terrain profile with that of the virtual exterior, this is much, much easier. The user doesn't experience a discrepancy in the representation of the virtual environment, so you don't have to implement methods for terrain correlation other than the height profile, which is almost trivial (once that both simulations can access the same base data like DTED files). You then only need to exchange unit positions and handle the weapons effects; not entirely trivial, but certainly manageable.


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#3199274 - 02/05/11 11:46 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Hey Hpasp,

I know the release is close but maybe you could publish manuals so we all could start studying? Would be extremely cool.

Cheers

#3199307 - 02/05/11 01:10 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Vulture]  
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#3199310 - 02/05/11 01:30 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Thank you! thumbsup

#3199316 - 02/05/11 01:38 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Thanks a lot!

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