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#3187466 - 01/24/11 04:00 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day ***** [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
I'm bit afraid, that a 40 step target acquisition process will take its toll between the most hard core fans too...
... not to mention this, when the US NAVY is inbound from the Gulf of Sidra loaded with HARM missiles.
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No problem, I think I'll express the view of whole community by saying that the complexity and accuracy are THA things that keep us here. We are bored of Tetris. smile
Maybe, as a matter of exception... Would you consider adding "time compression" (maybe up to 8x) option? Some sessions, e.g. in Middle East scenarios, appear a bit lengthy. I suspect the same will apply to Vega scenarios, where either side will have a few hundred miles to fly... smile

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#3189257 - 01/26/11 07:25 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Now that's what i'm talking about, a missile that can work with five inches of Ice and snow on it. Canada should definitely seek to buy the newest version! I'll operate it myself, if needed...

Finally the Krug is giving up it's secrets to me! Now i will move on to the Vega, i can't wait for documentation. This is an absolute beast. I also agree with vintorez, time compression would be great. Even if it's a 2-speed. Yeah, we love them buttons, the more realistic it is, the better!

I cannot wait to try the Monkey version of the S-75 (Desna) and see how the Soviets where cheap, and how hardcore the Vietnamese really were.
And i think i have a solution for the Kvadrat. If only the 2K12E Export version was recreated, i am sure no national security would be jeopardized (except... syrias?) and the SAMsim world would be so much more complete biggrin

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#3189464 - 01/26/11 04:06 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: wasserfall]  
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Now that's what i'm talking about, a missile that can work with five inches of Ice and snow on it.

After launch, within 3 second, the missile will accelerate over Mach3, so no snow will stay...
yep

I cannot wait to try the Monkey version of the S-75 (Desna) and see how the Soviets where cheap, and how hardcore the Vietnamese really were.

They saved on the high frequency pipeline system, leaving out "narrow beam", and "LORO" modes.
Also the missile was reduced range, and the transmitter, less powerful.

And i think i have a solution for the Kvadrat. If only the 2K12E Export version was recreated, i am sure no national security would be jeopardized (except... syrias?) and the SAMsim world would be so much more complete.

I'm fascinated by the ZSU-23-4 Shilka system now.
After, or before the SA-75MK Dvina (SA-2F) it will come.

West used to think, that they will fly below the effective envelope of the SAM systems, so the ZSU-23-4 Shilka became their worst nightmare...
piggy


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

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#3190655 - 01/27/11 07:27 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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S-200VE Vega Official Firing Manual (Russian)

Just get it.
http://narod.ru/disk/start/07.dl18sf-nar...%D1%81-200.djvu


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3192222 - 01/29/11 10:21 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Thanks for the link! I can barely read anything in Russian, but this is still very cool to have.

#3192338 - 01/29/11 03:35 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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IADS "Senezh-M1E". Some photos. "For the overall development".


#3193270 - 01/30/11 04:43 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Volhov in operation video at the bottom of the page.
ready
http://lv-wv.de/geschi_frt/pinnow/iwp1.html


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3193771 - 01/31/11 03:18 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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I skipped over this thread so many times and finally checked it out. I had no idea this existed.

#3194008 - 01/31/11 11:21 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Razorback]  
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Welcome to the word of Cold War secrets...
... James Bond risked his life, to get these.
yep


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3194139 - 01/31/11 02:53 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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What about the "Advanced Manual" for the S-75M3, with the undocumented functions and switches? I readed on the this topic about the fuzes... But there are more switches that still "untold".

I keep waiting for it smile

TY for the great work! Very nice job on researching and programming!

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#3194224 - 01/31/11 04:32 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Redcoalition]  
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What about the "Advanced Manual" for the S-75M3, with the undocumented functions and switches? I readed on the this topic about the fuzes... But there are more switches that still "untold".

Currently I'm working on the Vega.
The code is more or less ready, the English manual "passed" the "Weasel Check".
Currently the code testing (by someone, who launched a real Vega missile in 1987 readytoeat ), and the manual translation is ongoing...

Just a quick wrap-up of the undocumented Volhov switches...

"Z" screen

guidance modes rightmost settings are for the nuclear tipped missiles.

"RAB OT VM" is a method to arm fuses right after launch.

The rightmost switch can show, where all the launchers are pointing, one-by-one.

The two guarded switch makes possible to change the operating frequency.

There are 3 methods of target acquisition, without P18.
(When the 75 was fielded, at the 60's, there were no P18's attached to the SAM battery's)
KRUG - circular
SEKT - sector
Elliptic - with UL.
Just push the POISK button...

"A" screen
The 35km switch is not mentioned.
It is used if the enemy is doing standoff jamming.
(It will cut any signal over 35km)

"Q" screen
Most of the switches has no effect.
(If you are interested in, just ask)

yep

Last edited by Hpasp; 01/31/11 04:47 PM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3194335 - 01/31/11 05:53 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Thank you!

(If you are interested in, just ask)

In this case...



Could you tell about these highlighted switches? Thx.

And one more thing... I couldn't find the Elliptic and i also didn't undertood what you mean with "UL"!
Thank you once again.

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#3194372 - 01/31/11 06:30 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Redcoalition]  
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The red circled switches are for testing the station readiness.

The rightmost yellow circle is...
... The rightmost switch can show, where all the launchers are pointing, one-by-one.

The leftmost yellow circle are for a crazy jamming avoidance method.
During the Vietnam War, the US believed, that the SA-2 system has two PRF modes, acquiring (lowPRF) and tracking (highPRF).
As You know, this is caused only by the switching the range setting between 75/150km, and has absolutely no connection with the tracking.
So with these switches, you could have lowPRF with 75km range displayed, fooling the west.


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3194377 - 01/31/11 06:34 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Hpasp]  
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During the Vietnam War, the US believed, that the SA-2 system has two PRF modes, acquiring (lowPRF) and tracking (highPRF).
As You know, this is caused only by the switching the range setting between 75/150km, and has absolutely no connection with the tracking.


In the Vietnam scenario of the SIM, the SR71 will start jamming, if You set the SNR to 75km mode, because the US believed, it means target tracking...

frosty


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3194405 - 01/31/11 06:56 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Thank you very much, very explicative!
But the button on the middle yellow circle i can press... Seems like nothem happens, but i don't know! It have any function?

Yet i still cound't find the Elliptic switch on Z screen!

Many thanks for the help.

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#3194417 - 01/31/11 07:09 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Redcoalition]  
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Elliptic search is not a switch, rather a searching method, introduced against those #%&*$# Stealth targets...
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Its description requires some theoretical knowledge also, so I will describe it later...


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3194541 - 01/31/11 08:32 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Please do not take as a promise, but the new version of the SAM Simulator might be ready within weeks...


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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3194784 - 02/01/11 12:00 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Is that FRAG-431 from Prangendorf? I really can't wait for Vega, it's the system I've been waiting most impatiently for.

Keep up the good work Hpasp!

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#3195173 - 02/01/11 10:50 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Another two switches, SVP:

on A screen: the black one with "C" (up) and "R" (down). I can see some effect on the display, but I don't understand it.
on Z screen" the black one with "SDC 2" (left) and "SDC 1" (right)

Thanks!

#3195430 - 02/01/11 04:14 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Upgraded Neva system


Panels might be familiar to You.
cowboy


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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