#3153957 - 12/09/10 07:37 PM
Question about SE5 sights
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Im a little confused which sight to use targeting with the Se5. (See pic) Normally, I thought you should position your head that the little stick with the ball on top is centered in the bullseye. In the Se5 this seems to be off to the left, causing me to lean over with track ir in an akward position. What is the ring in the center for? I really like this plane, but Im having a hard time hitting anything and I think is because Im confused how to target the enemy with it. Rob
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#3153965 - 12/09/10 07:47 PM
Re: Question about SE5 sites
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Turn off your TrackIR and then using the keyboard adjust the view to where you want it and then hit "F10" to lock it into place and then you can turn your TrackIR back on. Now whenever you center your TrackIR it will go to the view that you just saved. So line up the view with your site the way you want it so you can aim more easily and save that. Hope that helps!
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#3153987 - 12/09/10 08:12 PM
Re: Question about SE5 sites
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Awesome, That worked perfectly!
Thank You!
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#3153995 - 12/09/10 08:24 PM
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I don't know if it's correct or not, but I've been lining up the "bump" on the engine with the circle held in the A strut for aiming, rather than the machineguns aimer. Using the method suggested by Avatar, I set a gunsight view in the Spad 13 and that seems to carry over to all the other planes... I've been shooting planes down, but that's probably more due to the fact that I'm usually right on top of the enemy when I shoot. It does seem to work when attacking trucks and such at a greater distance. The best thing about the S.E.5 a is the bombs makes it SO much easier to take out ground targets...
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#3154014 - 12/09/10 08:51 PM
Re: Question about SE5 sites
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Awesome, That worked perfectly!
Thank You! My pleasure, Rob, glad it worked for you!
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#3154016 - 12/09/10 08:53 PM
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I don't know if it's correct or not, but I've been lining up the "bump" on the engine with the circle held in the A strut for aiming, rather than the machineguns aimer. That's pretty much how I use it, too. I initially did what I suggested to Rob above but didn't like how I was always to the left to aim with the machine gun site... So I got used to guesstimating where to aim and have never looked back.
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#3154291 - 12/10/10 08:52 AM
Re: Question about SE5 sites
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As a non-native English speaker you guys got me confused. Shouldn't it be "sight" (as in "gun sight" and "bomb sight") instead of "site" (as in "place")? Yes, you are correct! My fault. My grammer sucks when I type in a hurry. Rob
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#3154318 - 12/10/10 12:14 PM
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That ring in the center is where the ALDIS sight should be. The factory default gunsight on this iconic plane. It was a tube with gas and lenses in it and a crosshair. Although it didn't magnify anything, it always showed the picture that one would see perfectly lined up with it without lining up perfectly. A Predecessor of WWI reflector gunsights in a way I repeat, it was factory default on SE5a-s. 777 studios stated that they have difficulties modelling it, but they're the best programmers out there and I trust they correct it real soon Until that, use the Vickers sight
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#3154321 - 12/10/10 12:26 PM
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Here's some info on the Aldis sight. Seeing as there is no magnification involved I wonder why it is so difficult to model. It must be the 'always centred' thing. Looking forward to the day when it appears on the SE.5a, along with a moveable Lewis gun. The Aldis sight consisted of a metal tube 32in long and 2in in diameter. It embodied the principle of the ring sight and the sighting system was in the form of two concentric rings engraved on clear glass screens inside the tube which also contained a number of lenses. When the pilot looked through the tube the image was neither enlarged nor diminished and was always seen with it's centre directly on the axis of the sight regardless of the position of the gunner's eye. The rear end was protected by a rubber sleeve and eyepiece while a problem which had arisen during tests, the fouling of the front lens of the sight by oil or smoke, was solved by fitting a protective disc which could be raised or lowered by the pilot. The secret of the Aldis lay in its series of internal lenses and the company always insisted that sights should not be tampered with and had to be be returned to the factory in the event of damage or malfunction. According to L.W. Sutherland, writing in Aces and Kings, the reason for this secrecy was that to prevent fogging of the internal lenses certain gases had at the time of manufacture been introduced between the lenses at varying temperatures and if an Aldis were opened up these gases would disperse. It was claimed that this was the reason the Germans never copied the sight dispite the large numbers captured. The German pilots nevertheless liked the Aldis and frequently fitted it to their machines, the range of optical devices produced by German manufacturers during the war notwithstanding. The first production Aldis sights were issued to operational units in mid-1916 and by the end of the year they were being delivered in large numbers for use with the fixed Vickers gun or the overwing Lewis by the RFC and the RNAS. The Aldis remained in service with the RAF until the late 1930s and the Americans also adopted it, their particular version being known as the "Unit Sight"*
*The Aldis was a collimating sight, that is, it employed lenses which transmitted parallel rays of light. The magnification was correctly expressed as being 1:1, hence 'unit' or one-to-one magnification. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.military/2008-03/msg00008.html
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#3154327 - 12/10/10 12:41 PM
Re: Question about SE5 sites
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Thanks for sharing! A footnote: the smoke and oil was a problem mostly on rotaries, not inline engine machines. As for modelling it: it would be a "picture in the picture", like rearview mirrors in racing games - which are quite a bit of a performance killers. So there would be the tube itself, and if you looked into it you could see this picture in the picture, a "rearview mirror" pointed forward. The SE5a isn't an SE5a without this and a moveable Lewis
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#3154343 - 12/10/10 12:57 PM
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That's pretty much how I use it, too. I initially did what I suggested to Rob above but didn't like how I was always to the left to aim with the machine gun site... So I got used to guesstimating where to aim and have never looked back. 100% agree. After setting up my centered "view" on the ground with the keys and then locking it in with F10, it's easy to put the ring over the target and blast away. If you are close enough to the enemy plane to fill the ring with it----you will hit your target for sure! The only plane that I fly regularly that has an "offset" view is the Ne 28. It's not much off center but I do fly the plane centered on the aligned gunsight 'cause I'm too lazy to lean over!!!
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#3154360 - 12/10/10 01:46 PM
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As a non-native English speaker you guys got me confused. Shouldn't it be "sight" (as in "gun sight" and "bomb sight") instead of "site" (as in "place")? Sorry for adding to the confusion by me perpetuating the misspelling of the word. I didn't know if Scoobe was a native speaker or not so I just spelled it the same. That's my story and I"m sticking to it! Reflected, great info there! Thanks mate.
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#3156919 - 12/14/10 05:03 PM
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Thanks for the info on the missing Aldis! Great stuff. Personally I think the moveable Lewis would be a more useful change that adding the Aldis... finally I'd be able to sneak under a DFW CV and shoot it down by pointing it up on its rail, as described by Billy Bishop. Those Boche rear gunners are always shooting me down. I've learned give them a wide berth but so far have not been charged with lack of moral fibre.
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#3157001 - 12/14/10 06:47 PM
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A Predecessor of WWI reflector gunsights in a way And modern reflex sights.
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#3157062 - 12/14/10 07:54 PM
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I've tried mostly shooting at the belly (without doing the "pop up") and have been surprised at how low the gunner can deflect his gun down. I think the difference may be that you are really directly astern, whereas I am more often than not somewhat to the side. More practice is called for - I'd rather not be court-martialed Yes Grasshopper, you are learning! (old quote from old TV show Kung Fu! 1972-75 ) Yeah, I'm pretty old!!! THAT is the secret-stay DIRECTLY below and IN LINE with your target. If you can't see him, he can't see you. If you get off to the side, you are dead meat. I approach at least 200-300 feet below the lead aircraft and climb up almost directly underneath him. Another hint-ALWAYS ATTACK THE LEAD AIRCRAFT FIRST!!!! If you pop up on the trail aircraft ALL of the gunners will be shooting at you. If you attack the lead aircraft first, the gunners behind you can't bring their guns forward to shoot at you as they will be shooting through their own craft. Try it just as I've described and you will be able to knock down all of the birds in the flight! Remember-pop up, shoot a couple second burst at the gunner and drop back below. Pop back up and if the gunner doesn't appear, go for the pilot/engine. You'll be flaming them in no time! Always stay DIRECTLY behind and below the target until you pop up to shoot. Good luck! PS-if you get close enough you can aim at a specific target!!!
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#3157297 - 12/15/10 02:05 AM
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I adjusted centre view to be on the ring and bead as well and it works fine. Just don't set your convergence too close or the bullets will cross over before they get to the enemy. I wish I could point my lewis gun up, especially on my N11 N17 would become dangerous as well if that were possible.
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#3157693 - 12/15/10 05:47 PM
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What is the ring in the center for? It's for an Aldis gunsight with colluminated lens. It was not telescopic, contra to some opinions, but simply let you put the dot on the target and fire wherever your head happened to be, i.e. no lining up of iron sights' pip and post. I suppose the devs never got around to making one. It was popular with many pilots, others hated it and pulled it off (like anything, camps develop). The Germans tried to copy it unsuccessfully. In other WWI sims that have executed one, it is a fantastic advance for longer-range accuracy. I like them. Guess this pic could be bigger, oh well. Apologies for duplicating info, I usually leave the forum open in my browser and forgot to refresh, so didn't see the other posts...
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