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#3115863 - 10/15/10 04:00 AM New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example  
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A short example of using Consent to Release (CR) mode.
Also shows basic release profile editing.





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#3115901 - 10/15/10 05:31 AM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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Cool. Thanks for posting, Doug.


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#3115922 - 10/15/10 07:11 AM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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He is so smooth with the TD cursor placement as he rolls in, placing it in the exact angle where the runways meet without needing to slew it that you almost don't notice that this CCIP mode requires a pre-designation through the HUD. At least, I think so, right? I still have to figure out the differences between the two Consent to Release sub-modes.

#3115983 - 10/15/10 11:46 AM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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No voiceover on Wags vids though. For those of us puzzling over the switchology sequence, etc, they raise a lot of questions.


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#3115995 - 10/15/10 12:07 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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That is a lot of button pushing.


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#3116060 - 10/15/10 01:45 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: coolts]  
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Originally Posted By: coolts
No voiceover on Wags vids though. For those of us puzzling over the switchology sequence, etc, they raise a lot of questions.


I agree. When Wags starts in with the left MFD sequence and setting up the bombs I get lost. I just now got down how to deliver Mavs and now this....lol.

#3116217 - 10/15/10 05:14 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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He's not really doing that much.
I'll have to try this when I get home, but I think it's this:

Select the profile page.
Scroll down to MK82.
View Profile.
Change release mode to ripple single.
select 6 (UFC)
update ripple quantity (6 single).
select 500 (UFC)
update bomb spacing (500 ft).
save profile.
Switch to (forget the name) hud menu.
change release option to 5 mil.
switch to CCIP.
fly to your previously marked SPI, put the CCIP piper on your target, press and hold release consent.

#3116219 - 10/15/10 05:15 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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#3116268 - 10/15/10 06:11 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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What's the advantage of consent to release? Not dropping your load too early?

#3116272 - 10/15/10 06:14 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: Bahger]  
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Originally Posted By: Bahger
He is so smooth with the TD cursor placement as he rolls in, placing it in the exact angle where the runways meet without needing to slew it that you almost don't notice that this CCIP mode requires a pre-designation through the HUD. At least, I think so, right? I still have to figure out the differences between the two Consent to Release sub-modes.


I don't think the mode he was using needed the predesignation. The piper gets hooked to the bottom of the hud and he just needed to press and hold the weapon release button once was over the target.


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#3116276 - 10/15/10 06:16 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: Walsh]  
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Originally Posted By: Walsh
What's the advantage of consent to release? Not dropping your load too early?


From what I understand, the biggest advantage is that you do not need to be in such a steep dive to get the bombs on target.

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#3116282 - 10/15/10 06:19 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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^ Correct. In CR mode, the CCIP reticle is latched to the button of the HUD (as opposed to being invisible below the HUD in Manual Release mode). This allows you to fly the aircraft to set the pipper on target, press and hold the trigger, and wait for the bombs to separate. It's a kind of in-between CCIP and CCRP.

In 3/9 mode, weapons are released when the 5 mil cue (small circle with timer) passes anywhere inside the CCIP reticle (big circle). In 5 mil mode, weapons are released only if the CCIP pipper (center dot of the big circle) passes through the 5 mil cue. In other words, 5 mil mode requires a more precise delivery. The choice between Manual Release, 3/9 and 5-mil allows the pilot to determine how much error the computer will allow him in releasing the weapons on target.

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#3116283 - 10/15/10 06:19 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: Goblin]  
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Originally Posted By: mfrank14
Switch to (forget the name) hud menu.
change release option to 5 mil.
switch to CCIP.
fly to your previously marked SPI, put the CCIP piper on your target, press and hold release consent.




He switches the IFCC back to "Test" in order to change the CCIP Consent to Release mode.

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#3116285 - 10/15/10 06:20 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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The advantage is not having to go into a steep dive to put your "pipper on target" Consent Release gives you a virtual pipper, that you can see in your hud. (the actual impact point is still under your nose and out of view) When your consent release pipper is on target, press and hold your weapon release button, and maintain your exact flight path until release.


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#3116298 - 10/15/10 06:40 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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Consent to Release can be thought of as a mix between Continuously Computed Impact Point (CCIP) and Continuously Computed Release Point (CCRP): the pilot places the dashed reticle over the desired impact point (not sure if it's the impact point of first weapon or center of all weapons that will be released), then presses and holds the pickle button while flying to the now solid release line. The IFFCC calculates when to release the selected weapons so they hit the previously designated point.

Voila.

Most of the button pushing in this video was setting up the Mk82 profile to ripple fire 6 Mk82s with a 500 ft spacing between them. The last step was the key to this video: setting the IFFCC switch to test mode which brings up the HUD menu. There the pilot can change a bunch of options, including the Consent to Release mode. Don't forget to return the IFFCC switch back to the normal ON position!

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#3116344 - 10/15/10 07:55 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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You're right, Duality, no predesignation required. The advantage seems to me -- unless I am again mistaken -- that once you have set the impact point with the weapon release button, and keep it held down, you can ease out of the dive before bomb release as long as you are flying along the azimuth line. In other words, you do not need to stay in a dive to keep the pipper in sight on top of the target, because, having set the impact point, the system calculates release timing without the pilot having to fly the pipper to release. If you see what I mean...

#3116392 - 10/15/10 09:03 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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His TrackIR is really smooth in that vid, if you are around Wags please post your settings as mine is too jumpy. I was used to the A-10 being easy in FC and just putting the thing on the thing now it has all this cool stuff and it's getting hard, but good smile


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#3116431 - 10/15/10 09:49 PM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: Mace71]  
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Originally Posted By: MaceUK33
His TrackIR is really smooth in that vid, if you are around Wags please post your settings as mine is too jumpy.


It may be due to his using a more recent beta. I find my TiR jumpy in the 'Hog too.


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#3116604 - 10/16/10 02:38 AM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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which TiR version do you guys have? He uses a 5 I know.

#3116639 - 10/16/10 04:12 AM Re: New video from Wags - DCS A-10C - CR Example [Re: citizen guod]  
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Back in the days of Tornado did they call this loft bombing also called toss bombing.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/loft+bombing

No matter, I am still trying to figure out how to set SOI,DMS,and TMS and then there is the difference between long and short. So far its more of a headache than when my wife has PMS!


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