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#3031711 - 06/15/10 10:15 AM Still a long way to go  
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Ok first of all this is not a rant thread.


RoF has still a long way to go , the updates are moving in the right direction but jugdging by the content/time ratio we need 2 more years before RoF becomes the "one" sim.
The so-so campaigns and clunky at best MP mode does not offer indepth.
Il2 sturmovik has its online wars that offer more indepth than whole RoF currently , and it's all fan made.
Having a 20 player dogfight was ok way back 10 years ago at Red Baron times, but today MP mode should offer alot more.

By the time "rof" gets there , BoB will be long out , and as Olegs says that BoBs MP will be capable of handling 128 players i think RoF will remain only in the hearts of WW1 passionats and the rest will move on to BoB.

RoF has the potential , but it's only that potential that can be devastated when BoB is out and the Fokker will be blown out of skies by Spitfire.

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#3031713 - 06/15/10 10:18 AM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: nuggetx]  
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And your point is?

#3031714 - 06/15/10 10:20 AM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: Speyer]  
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mmm not much of a point here , just wanted to say my observation

#3031716 - 06/15/10 10:30 AM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: nuggetx]  
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So far NeoQB has delivered a great next generation sim that needs more work. Oleg has delivered nothing.

We'll see how RoF measures up against SoW:BoB when (if :P) it's finally released.

#3031731 - 06/15/10 11:05 AM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: FiveDigits]  
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Indeed, SOW BOB is conspicious by its abscense. ROF it out, it is developing at a cracking rate.

MP is fantastic now, and can be indepth as any IL2 server. (Check the Vintage Missions *Plug*)

I imagine that when SOW is released it will have a lot to do to catch up to ROF level of development. Perhaps ROF's sophistication is another reason its been delayed?

Who knows?

#3031735 - 06/15/10 11:18 AM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: Squid_Von_Torgar]  
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SoW:BoB will also have more than singleseat fighters as flyable from the beginning.not to speak of the amount of different AI planes...........

an important point IMHO to make something like an "online war". an event that is taking place for some months with an updated playerstatistic - like
http://www.vowreloaded.de/
or
http://adw.alkar.net/en/

one has only to keep in his minds that the basic "statistic" programms or the servertool of the second are 3. party developmnets !!



i realy like RoF - but its focus on singleseat fighters at the moment is kind of boring for me - very personal , indeed !!
I know , WW1 cant be WW2 in its planevarints - but i guess there was more about WW1 aircombat than dogfight furballs.


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#3031780 - 06/15/10 12:50 PM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: Frankyboy]  
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RoF's major flaw regarding multiplayer indeed still is the absence of non-fighter planes. There's no doubt about that. But I'm also quite sure we'll get there very soon (- maybe even pre SoW:BoB release).

#3031815 - 06/15/10 01:40 PM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: FiveDigits]  
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Oleg Maddox, 10th June 2010: "We had hoped to show it at E3, but we are not ready yet. SoW is going very good. Can't say superb in terms of time, but good. I'm sure it will be something very good done in comparison to all sims present on the market."

No SoW this year by the sound of it then. Though he is sure when it eventually gets released, it'll be better than sims of the previous generation...

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#3032106 - 06/15/10 07:19 PM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: Feathered_IV]  
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I don't see SOW being competition for ROF. I see them complementing each other. Two beautiful combat flight sims covering different periods in history. So, because I buy SOW, I won't want to fly this sim? Don't see it that way.
Before the year is up, I'm hoping to have, on my hard drive, ROF ,to get my WW1 fix. SOW for WW2, FC2 when I need to jump into an F-15, and FSX for everything else.
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#3032118 - 06/15/10 07:37 PM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: Pooch]  
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Im not giving up the finest wwi fsim for a wwii fsim. Ill probably play both. Its not like marraige where ya gotta stick to just one. Ill play the field where i can. another pointless silly thread to entertain us all.

#3032124 - 06/15/10 07:47 PM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: Frankyboy]  
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Originally Posted By: Frankyboy


an important point IMHO to make something like an "online war". an event that is taking place for some months with an updated playerstatistic - like
http://www.vowreloaded.de/
or
http://adw.alkar.net/en/

one has only to keep in his minds that the basic "statistic" programms or the servertool of the second are 3. party developmnets !!
.


one thing - ADW is made by us (GT=Neoqb) but during that time we was an 3rd party team and we had not to make a whole game for it.
One thing - ADW came out almost 4 years (four) after IL2 release, right now - ROF is only 1 year old, and we are still wroking hard to evolve ROF.

PS: when IL2 got first two seater for germans?


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#3032155 - 06/15/10 08:29 PM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: =FB=VikS]  
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Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
Originally Posted By: Frankyboy


an important point IMHO to make something like an "online war". an event that is taking place for some months with an updated playerstatistic - like
http://www.vowreloaded.de/
or
http://adw.alkar.net/en/

one has only to keep in his minds that the basic "statistic" programms or the servertool of the second are 3. party developmnets !!
.


one thing - ADW is made by us (GT=Neoqb) but during that time we was an 3rd party team and we had not to make a whole game for it.
One thing - ADW came out almost 4 years (four) after IL2 release, right now - ROF is only 1 year old, and we are still wroking hard to evolve ROF.

PS: when IL2 got first two seater for germans?


If ADW is from Neoqb than why oh why you didn't implement it as your first priority for RoF MP , you would have ALOT more people with that MP.

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#3032170 - 06/15/10 08:52 PM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: =FB=VikS]  
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Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
PS: when IL2 got first two seater for germans?


That would be the Ju 87 B-2, added as a flyable in a patch sometime after the initial IL2 release.

#3032172 - 06/15/10 08:55 PM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: =FB=VikS]  
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Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS


.................PS: when IL2 got first two seater for germans?


correct, il2 got its flyable and AI planeset (at least in its current state) that were not fighters also late!
but one have not to make the same mistake again wink

anyway, we will see what the future will bring.
RoF has already a powerfull missioneditor. and if flyable and nonflyable "non"-fighters will fill its world, it will be a fantastic scenario !


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#3032177 - 06/15/10 09:05 PM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: Frankyboy]  
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#3032216 - 06/15/10 10:23 PM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: BuddyWoof]  
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SOW will not effect ROF that much. The WW1 crowd will still be here long after SOW is launched. But I do believe SOW will surface as a much more complete sim. ROF was released too soon for financial reasons. Thats not to say that Oleg isn't under pressure to release soon, its just that the ROF team was under more pressure. OR it could be that the ROF team made a business decision to release early so the community could help finance the sim and have a better feel on the size of their economic base.


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#3032327 - 06/16/10 02:12 AM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: Damocles]  
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Originally Posted By: Damocles


Damocles, this clip contains the main reason I keep getting bored with ROF, the total lack of action on the ground kills the atmosphere and for me it is crucial for a WW1 sim to have this ground activity, I was hoping for trenches that you could strafe and some representation of what was happening in the trenches, Il2 has a huge advantage here as the air war for the most part was much more separated from the ground activity in WW2, even EAW had people running from buildings when attacked, and to me this is what is lacking in ROF, other than that it is coming along well and will no doubt continue to improve as time goes on.

No reason not to fly this and SOW or BS or whatever takes your fancy, the more quality flight sims the better!


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#3032356 - 06/16/10 03:11 AM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: Chivas]  
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Originally Posted By: Chivas
SOW will not effect ROF that much. The WW1 crowd will still be here long after SOW is launched. But I do believe SOW will surface as a much more complete sim. ROF was released too soon for financial reasons.


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#3032359 - 06/16/10 03:20 AM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: BuddyWoof]  
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#3032435 - 06/16/10 06:29 AM Re: Still a long way to go [Re: nuggetx]  
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Originally Posted By: nuggetx
Ok first of all this is not a rant thread.


RoF has still a long way to go , the updates are moving in the right direction but jugdging by the content/time ratio we need 2 more years before RoF becomes the "one" sim.
The so-so campaigns and clunky at best MP mode does not offer indepth.
Il2 sturmovik has its online wars that offer more indepth than whole RoF currently , and it's all fan made.
Having a 20 player dogfight was ok way back 10 years ago at Red Baron times, but today MP mode should offer alot more.

By the time "rof" gets there , BoB will be long out , and as Olegs says that BoBs MP will be capable of handling 128 players i think RoF will remain only in the hearts of WW1 passionats and the rest will move on to BoB.

RoF has the potential , but it's only that potential that can be devastated when BoB is out and the Fokker will be blown out of skies by Spitfire.


That's right they are fan made. We now support cool online war features as mentioned. What are you waiting for nugget? Get to work dude.

And it's been said a million times, multi-crew planes are coming and so is a new career system. Just don't have exact dates yet.

Jason

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