#3017582 - 05/24/10 12:42 PM
Re: Little name change
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I hope you guys get things sorted out with them...
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#3018646 - 05/25/10 06:20 PM
Re: Little name change
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Geez I would think the Apache Indian tribe might have something to say...TO BOEING as would any hunters using English style Longbows...or maybe they settled up already.
I guess it is no more ridiculous than Apple suing the pants off of anyone using ..pad or ..pod or the letter 'i' in their product names. I'm surprised they don't make grocery stores change their signs to "SORT OF ROUND RED FRUITS"
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#3019039 - 05/26/10 11:51 AM
Re: Little name change
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Phew, I was worried you had fallen foul of SimHQ admins for some reason, and they had deleted this forum! If it's only those softies at Boeing we have to worry about...
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#3019308 - 05/26/10 05:52 PM
Re: Little name change
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Phew, I was worried you had fallen foul of SIMHQ admins for some reason, and they had deleted this forum! If it's only those softies at Boeing we have to worry about... Oh no, we are not in the least at odds with Richard, AD and the dev group. They are being wisely proactive IMO. No story to tell, and their efforts up-front are to ensure Combat Helo continues to finish, and to ensure there will not be any story by avoiding possible questions later. Elf... I think we're seeing the difference in two decades of corporate law and assets management. Intellectual property concerns have changed substantially in that time. Probably helped having the Jane's name behind the EA/Origins titles to gain credibility. No, I'm not an attorney, or legal advisor either. Just familiar with some of this due to the "day job".
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#3019742 - 05/27/10 11:59 AM
Re: Little name change
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Trademarks, I believe, are only held within categories. Meaning that 2 companies can trade products under the same name, aslong as those products don't belong in the same category. There are literally tons of companies out there marketing products under the name Apache or Longbow. Interestingly I found this on the US patent and trademark office website. http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=4002:f715be.2.30This AH-64 Apache Longbow trademark under the category of computer games appears to be abandoned/dead. EDIT: It appears the link above doesn't work because of session management. Here's a copy/paste of the text content from the page. Word Mark AH-64 APACHE LONGBOW Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Computer game programs and computer software programs for use in flight simulation Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Serial Number 78195321 Filing Date December 17, 2002 Current Filing Basis 1B Original Filing Basis 1B Published for Opposition February 17, 2004 Owner (APPLICANT) BOEING MANAGEMENT COMPANY CORPORATION DELAWARE 2201 SEAL BEACH BOULEVARD, M/C 110-SB70 SEAL BEACH CALIFORNIA 907401515 Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Live/Dead Indicator DEAD Abandonment Date November 12, 2005 Cheers
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#3019775 - 05/27/10 01:02 PM
Re: Little name change
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Phew, I was worried you had fallen foul of SIMHQ admins for some reason, and they had deleted this forum! If it's only those softies at Boeing we have to worry about... Oh no, we are not in the least at odds with Richard, AD and the dev group. They are being wisely proactive IMO. Just my attempt at being funny, didn't mean to cause a response!
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#3021056 - 05/29/10 12:44 PM
Re: Little name change
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From a military perspective, just want to comment on the other title, "Operation Counter Insurgency" is kind of cheesy guys. I am just commenting though, no hard feelings. It is the early stages though, I know things change.
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#3021076 - 05/29/10 01:45 PM
Re: Little name change
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Some of the dialogue is pretty cheesy too. The OCI tag was one of those things that occured late at night when you're mocking up something in 5 minutes to fill a void, then never gets questioned or changed. But it never appears on any signed-off work or our websites except on WIP screen-shots. Got some suggestions? Fire away
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#3021144 - 05/29/10 04:12 PM
Re: Little name change
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Geez I would think the Apache Indian tribe might have something to say...TO BOEING as would any hunters using English style Longbows...or maybe they settled up already.
I guess it is no more ridiculous than Apple suing the pants off of anyone using ..pad or ..pod or the letter 'i' in their product names. I'm surprised they don't make grocery stores change their signs to "SORT OF ROUND RED FRUITS" Lmao, hilarious recluse, but true!! lol
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#3021277 - 05/29/10 08:24 PM
Re: Little name change
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Well, but if it wasn't for their (aerospace companies) greedy atitude you wouldn't need to worry about these issues, isn't that correct? Anyway, I have the impression that as long as you don't use company/commercial names like Boeing or Lockheed Martin or internal company project designations you shoudn't have any problems. Resuming, if you say that the helicopter you're modeling is a: "Boeing AH-64D Apache", you could have problems with trademark issues ("Boeing" name). But instead if you use for the same helicopter this designation: "AH-64D Apache", you shoudn't have any problems, since AH-64D Apache is a US military designation (and not a Boeing one) which therefore is a "public name". Regarding the Longbow radar, it's possible that Longbow is a trademark for the radar but be aware that the Longbow radar is made by Lockheed Martin company and NOT by the Boeing company. See here: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/LongbowFireControlRadarMissile/index.htmlBut in order to avoid this problem just drop the Longbow name as you already did and name the radar "FCR radar" for example (instead of Longbow radar).
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#3021422 - 05/30/10 01:59 AM
Re: Little name change
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I searched and could find no references to the trademark of "Longbow" under the category of computer games and flight simulations. It's widely trademarked under other categories however by various companies not associated with aircraft manufacturing. "AH-64D Apache", you shoudn't have any problems, since AH-64D Apache is a US military designation (and not a Boeing one) which therefore is a "public name". AH-64 Apache is a name trademarked under 'Goods and services: Helicopters' by Boeing. Thankfully we're not in the business of making helicopters, we're in the business of developing simulations, a category under which neither Longbow, AH-64 nor Apache is trademarked. Technically we can use any or all of these names just as countless games and sims have done for the past 20 years. Unfortunately as we know the law is bent backwards by companies that have the cash to do so. If we were to get into legal difficulties with Boeing, and we actually chose to fight, the outcome would at best be a phyrric victory. Regardless of whether by law we need it or not, pursuing permission from Boeing to use the terms Longbow, AH-64 or Apache, protects us in the long-run. Cheers
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