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#2978309 - 03/18/10 12:40 AM If Anyone Cares................  
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......BadBud is back flying and killing those nasty huns while trying to ignore the checkerboard ground effect since patch. Got so iritated that I gave RoF up for awhile, but couldn't stay pissed for long and am now back to enjoying the fight again. I just (for now) don't start a mission on the ground, land or crash(LOL). And it looks good........except for the color that sometimes gets messed a little on the AI planes. Might even buy the new Fokker now that I have tempered my feelings about the patched bad graphics. (I know that my PC specs are below the minimum for RoF). Hope that the rest of you sim pilots having the checkerboad effect have gotten beyond it and are back to enjoying the fight again. I am still holding out hope that future patches might fix the problem. They do listen to us.
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#2978338 - 03/18/10 01:46 AM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: BadBud]  
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I care, BadBud. And I'm trying to fly through it, too.

Nevertheless, it irks me whenever I look at some of the beautiful screenshots that I took pre-1.011 patch with the gorgeous landscape WITHOUT the checkerboard effect. See below:



As compared to now:



And, of course, you gotta LOVE the new shimmering effect on the lozenge-camo DVII (as well as all of the other planes, but this one just happens to be the worst IMHO):



Minimum specs be dashed! Cuss They've added something with this patch that's causing this. I wish they'd fix it, too...but I doubt they will. Our cards are below spec, and I'm still waiting on a response to my post over at the neoqb forum.

Who knows, though...they might. They've been good to us so far, right? cheers Regardless, I'm still gonna look into upgrading my processor to a quad core along with a better graphics card.

sigh


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#2978576 - 03/18/10 02:27 PM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: Dumbo]  
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I'm still waiting on a response to my post over at the neoqb forum

PM one of the developers over there? Their forum nicknames are in green text

Looks dire kick up a fuss, elevate it

Ming


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#2978600 - 03/18/10 02:53 PM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: Ming_EAF19]  
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As it's you Smile2 I've elevated your report to the neoqb team Dumbo because that would give me grief. A tidy lawn is one thing but- Smile2

Ming


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#2978742 - 03/18/10 06:30 PM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: Ming_EAF19]  
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Goes to my theory that the least expensive part of a flight simulation is the flight simulation itself.

We really are collectively a bunch of big goofballs. We gripe over having to pay less than eight bucks to fly a Nieuport 17 and then spend two hundred on a HOTAS or a video card.


The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events.

More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.com

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#2978747 - 03/18/10 06:42 PM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted By: Dart
Goes to my theory that the least expensive part of a flight simulation is the flight simulation itself.

We really are collectively a bunch of big goofballs. We gripe over having to pay less than eight bucks to fly a Nieuport 17 and then spend two hundred on a HOTAS or a video card.


You got it Dart, thats why instead of paying $199.00 for a game console (Thats tooo much ) I spent $3500.00 on a gaming rig... thumbsup

#2978778 - 03/18/10 07:50 PM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: Ming_EAF19]  
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Originally Posted By: Ming_EAF19
As it's you Smile2 A tidy lawn is one thing but- Smile2

Ming


If it was Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium we'd all be oooooohing and aaaahhhhhhhng.

That's nasty in the distance. Couple that with the shimmering that some experience and that has to be very difficult on the eyes.

#2978795 - 03/18/10 08:31 PM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: Ming_EAF19]  
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Originally Posted By: Ming_EAF19
As it's you Smile2 I've elevated your report to the neoqb team Dumbo because that would give me grief. A tidy lawn is one thing but- Smile2

Ming


THANKS, MING!


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#2978816 - 03/18/10 09:19 PM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: Hiccup]  
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Originally Posted By: Hiccup
Originally Posted By: Dart
Goes to my theory that the least expensive part of a flight simulation is the flight simulation itself.

We really are collectively a bunch of big goofballs. We gripe over having to pay less than eight bucks to fly a Nieuport 17 and then spend two hundred on a HOTAS or a video card.


You got it Dart, thats why instead of paying $199.00 for a game console (Thats tooo much ) I spent $3500.00 on a gaming rig... thumbsup


Consoles are quite expensive though....I mean they cost nearly as much as a Graphics card wink

#2978830 - 03/18/10 09:47 PM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: Brigstock]  
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The price is irrelevant when the content and controls suck.

#2978886 - 03/19/10 12:02 AM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: FiveDigits]  
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BadBud and Dumbo,

Unfortunately, your video cards are below minimum spec posted on the box. I've never seen this other than here and in the earlier thread, but my guess is that it is a shader issue of some kind. It was possibly just dumb luck that allowed your systems to run it before the patch. Have you guys compared settings at all? You can also ask neoqb what if anything changed to cause this, but since your cards are below min spec the answer may not be what you want to here.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

Jason

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#2978911 - 03/19/10 12:58 AM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Jason,

I don't believe in "dumb luck" when it comes to computers. Particularly when several of us with NVidia series 7 cards have experienced the same thing (see my original "checkerboard" post), in my book that moves this from the "random chance" category to the "something changed" category.

Just my $0.02 is all.


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#2978932 - 03/19/10 01:56 AM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
You can also ask neoqb what if anything changed to cause this,


I'd like to know myself since I also suffer the issue. MattM explained it well, be nice to hear neoqb
give official answer. Alot of folks have posted same issue on their boards and was brushed under.

I do have faith in Ming though!

#2978982 - 03/19/10 03:56 AM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: piper]  
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Here are my specs. Great for all my flight sims. Never a RoF problem before patch. Maybe a studder once in awhile with heavy air activity or a little slower gun rat-tat-tat. Do not fly this sim online......just enjoy by myself and trying to enjoy again.
Turned out to be a good thread.
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#2978990 - 03/19/10 04:24 AM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: BadBud]  
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Let's suppose it's a generic shader that changed between patches. Now, i had an unpacked graphics1.gtp (using ungtp.exe) from the 1.008 patch; i took the /data/graphics/shader folder from it and moved into the game /data/graphics directory. Then i checked 'Mods on' and 'HDR off' and it seemed to me graphics looked different in game (e.g. the sky was much light-blue). The game (a quick mission) loaded much slower, which i think also shows shaders were readed from the actual folder instead of the gtp.

So if anyone still has a /data/graphics1.gtp preferably from patch 1.010, maybe they can try to extract the /data/graphics/shader directory from it, place in the similar RoF directory and try the above. Maybe it works, maybe not, worths a try?

#2978992 - 03/19/10 04:47 AM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: piper]  
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Originally Posted By: piper
Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
You can also ask neoqb what if anything changed to cause this,


I'd like to know myself since I also suffer the issue. MattM explained it well, be nice to hear neoqb
give official answer. Alot of folks have posted same issue on their boards and was brushed under.

I do have faith in Ming though!


Please show me where a lot of people posted this and what neoqb said so I can investigate. I don't recall this being a big issue on their forum.

Jason

#2978993 - 03/19/10 04:50 AM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: Dumbo]  
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Originally Posted By: Dumbo
Jason,

I don't believe in "dumb luck" when it comes to computers. Particularly when several of us with NVidia series 7 cards have experienced the same thing (see my original "checkerboard" post), in my book that moves this from the "random chance" category to the "something changed" category.

Just my $0.02 is all.


By "dumb luck" I mean they did not purposely support your card in the beginning, so the fact that it did work was lucky. That's all I meant. Yes, obviously something changed, but did they know it would affect you folks with 7000 series cards? My guess is probably not.

Jason

#2979012 - 03/19/10 06:09 AM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: BadBud]  
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I do BB. But I think Neoqb has got you over a technical barrel if you were to push the point. Is there no {easy} way to go back to the previous version without the patchwork quilt ?

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#2979065 - 03/19/10 09:55 AM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: catch]  
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Why I'm particularly interested in helping you Dumbo at this point is because I know that neoqb are tireless in improving the graphics rendering to speed up framerate for most people. You might just have got caught up in an update and it's worth asking neoqb directly about this in case it's not just the minimum spec thing. If it worked once then maybe it can again is my thinking, can't hurt to ask for the devs help, lots of people on cards like yours

But graphics cards are getting cheaper by the day so keep an eye out for bargains Smile2

shader issue

Perhaps yes and if that's so then there can be fallbacks to earlier shader models and let's hope before not too long if that's the case. Kit can't work and then stop working after an automatically-imposed patch, I don't care what it says on the box.

A lot of folks have posted same issue on their boards and was brushed under

No I don't believe that's true, the people may have posted as you say but the neoqb team does not do brushing under and the developers have even asked for PMs to them directly when people are encountering difficulty. Language difficulties do not help of course. Some people are having trouble which they've reported along with clear images of the problem, and that's when possible-bugs can be squashed

Ming


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#2979121 - 03/19/10 01:08 PM Re: If Anyone Cares................ [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
Yes, obviously something changed, but did they know it would affect you folks with 7000 series cards? My guess is probably not.


I have to agree with this statement. Obviously, since the 8800 card is the minimum spec, I don't expect neoqb to test for/worry about possible impact on cards that don't meet this spec. That wouldn't be fair.

I'm just venting is all.


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