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#2927261 - 12/26/09 11:10 PM F-22 TAW board gone?  
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And if so, will it be put into the archives?
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#2927264 - 12/26/09 11:16 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: MarkG]  
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The F-22 Total Air War Forum has been removed due to possible violations in the Forum Use Agreement regarding proprietary code.


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#2927273 - 12/26/09 11:32 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: citizen guod]  
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Thanks for responding.
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#2927536 - 12/27/09 01:41 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: MarkG]  
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frown

Can't say I'm particularly surprised though. Cat's warning from a year ago was clear enough.

#2927704 - 12/27/09 06:51 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: mikew]  
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That should have been "Thanks for explaining".

Anyway, easy resolution I think. Remove _f22.exe and proprietary DLLs from any all-inclusive mods and you'll still need the full game (although not the CD which was never required anyway).

Or just don't advertise it on SimHQ.
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#2929013 - 12/29/09 10:53 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted By: Low_RCS
That should have been "Thanks for explaining".

Anyway, easy resolution I think. Remove _f22.exe and proprietary DLLs from any all-inclusive mods and you'll still need the full game (although not the CD which was never required anyway).

Or just don't advertise it on SimHQ.
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That's more or less the approach the guys over in EAW have done. I think it's a good compromise.


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#2929101 - 12/30/09 12:45 AM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: Colonel Kern]  
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Wouldn't seem necessary to remove the entire topic of TAW and the DID sims. We still have the Falcon forum, which routinely discuss the illegal but widespread Falcon 4.0 community mods Open Falcon and Free Falcon.

Couldn't you simply ban individuals who violate the rules?


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#2929111 - 12/30/09 12:55 AM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: Eugene]  
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Shouldnt you be applying this evenly wherever it is? (or not at all)
In the EECH forums.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2925882/3.html

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#2929165 - 12/30/09 02:28 AM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: Parker]  
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EECH, EEAH, and EAW have had their source code released by their respective developers.


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#2929228 - 12/30/09 04:08 AM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: citizen guod]  
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And FreeFalcon and OpenFalcon don't include the entire stand-alone game for free download.

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#2929328 - 12/30/09 07:36 AM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: Cat]  
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But - the question isn't about the specific illegal/violation. Just a straight one about the entire forum and family of DID sims being dropped, as opposed to banning specific violators. Posing this as a fan of DID sims, and the value of the forum in the past for those sims and fans of them. Not pushing back at Moderators/Admins working to protect SimHQ!

@Doug - yes, understood and agreed.


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#2929386 - 12/30/09 10:49 AM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: Eugene]  
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Well, I really hope the forum can be cleaned up enough to at least be archived. Some of the threads contain the only documentation in existence about how certain aspects of the game work.

I totally understand SimHQ's reason for taking it down though.

#2929459 - 12/30/09 02:04 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: mikew]  
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OK I understand, but like Eugene said cant just the Violaters be banned?? Was it a Specific post?? I thought we where doing good and takin most of what we discussed Eleswhere?? does it have to be Closed Forever??

#2929532 - 12/30/09 03:49 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: The Nephilim]  
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It wasn't just one post. That would be an simple fix. It was a series of posts, with quoting other posts and so on. It got very entwined, far from even a simple fix. We gave this some thought, but in the end there was nothing else we could do.


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#2929628 - 12/30/09 05:45 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: 20mm]  
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Although I've never been approached about this...

If any of those offending links/posts were mine "MG..." (which would have been months ago), the source of those links have been removed (completely). That goes for any offending links in the Online Help of my TAW programs, with future releases not to include links to the full game (extracted or otherwise). Again, the source of those links have been removed, just dead links now.

I assume this recent problem is due to a new all-inclusive mod, and as mentioned above it should be easy for the author to remedy.
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#2929657 - 12/30/09 06:23 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: citizen guod]  
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EECH, EEAH, and EAW have had their source code released by their respective developers.


The EECH licence you agreed to
3. GENERAL OBLIGATIONS
3.1 In consideration of the licence granted in clause 2.1 you now agree:
3.1.4 not (and not to allow any third party) to profit or make any charge for the Source Code, or Executable Code, any Exploitation of the Source Code or Executable Code, or for any Derivative Works;

#2929670 - 12/30/09 06:43 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: Parker]  
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Mark,
Do you have the time to sort through hundreds of posts and figure out which ones comply and which ones don't? Then edit them down and make them readable? I'm not going to state this again. It was over the top. Not fixable. We discussed this about what to do. I'm not pointing the finger at you, or anyone else here. But done is done.

We're not backing off that.


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#2929723 - 12/30/09 08:07 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: 20mm]  
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20mm, thanks for the further explanation. The number of suspect posts themselves, not the simply the persons is your concern.

A few thoughts:

1. As many here know, the forum is (was) the only source for a tremendous amount of irreplaceable know how and advice on all of the D.I.D. sims.

2. The TAW2008 posts would be the ones of concern presumably, and although there are likely a lot of them, they are confined to the period since that software was announced. Everything prior to that should be "clean."

3. Do SimHQ managers have the ability to put the forum back on but with ALL posts/threads since the first appearance of TAW2008 removed? I mean without an enormous amount of time and effort - determining a date and restoring everything prior to that date?

4. If that is possible, your question to Mark could be posed to any and all interested, but at least with the D.I.D forum itself restored even if truncated. Then if you at SimHQ Admin were willing, could assign a month's posts to a volunteer to review and clean - and another month to another person if available. Of course you guys would first require whatever agreement for clarity in what "clean" means and entails. Rather than edit posts, perhaps the safest, simplest way would be to just delete all TAW 2008/v2 posts.

20mm, I haven't admin-ed a forum, so realize that these suggestions might not be anywhere as straight forward or feasible as they seem from the outside. And also that you guys have lots else to be busy with. Some of us are just trying not to lose the knowledge base and community of an entire family of respected and unique sims that have long been a part of SimHQ. Please understand that it's because we care about the sims - not because we want to harass or dispute or dismiss the problem.



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#2929754 - 12/30/09 08:40 PM Re: F-22 TAW board gone? [Re: 20mm]  
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Originally Posted By: 20mm
Mark,
Do you have the time to sort through hundreds of posts and figure out which ones comply and which ones don't? Then edit them down and make them readable? I'm not going to state this again. It was over the top. Not fixable. We discussed this about what to do. I'm not pointing the finger at you, or anyone else here. But done is done.

We're not backing off that.


Guess I came back (2 days ago) at a bad time. smile
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While I'm not fully aware of the latest happenings, I'm speaking out because AFAIK I've been one of the primary hosters of TAW-related material for years now, even if I haven't been a regular participant on the board.

I will be most careful not to host any full-game works, and any offers I've made in the past to do so (if just trying to be helpful) I now have to retract. That's all I can do, the rest is up to SimHQ and the current offender(s).
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