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#2926147 - 12/24/09 02:42 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day ***** [Re: NaiseFail]  
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It's coming, I just have to get familiar with the software and get organized. Should have the review to guod sometime during 1st quarter 2010.

I'm in contact with the developer already. He's a nice guy and I've invited him to come and post here. It's a fascinating story. Sim's been in development for 4 years already, and it is based on declassified Hungarian and Russian sources that have come out since Hungary obsoleted its Soviet air defense systems in 2000. It's an effort by an enthusiast for enthusiasts.

BTW, how did you get the screenshots? Is there a key for that to take them within the sim?

Miao, Cat


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#2926152 - 12/24/09 02:57 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Cat]  
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Originally Posted By: Cat
It's coming, I just have to get familiar with the software and get organized. Should have the review to guod sometime during 1st quarter 2010.

I'm in contact with the developer already. He's a nice guy and I've invited him to come and post here. It's a fascinating story. Sim's been in development for 4 years already, and it is based on declassified Hungarian and Russian sources that have come out since Hungary obsoleted its Soviet air defense systems in 2000. It's an effort by an enthusiast for enthusiasts.

BTW, how did you get the screenshots? Is there a key for that to take them within the sim?

Miao, Cat


Good to hear. I didn't know how long he had been working on it. Four years shows a good desire to see it done, so hopefully we'll get more SAM systems to play with! biggrin

As for screenshots I used FSScreen, but it only saves in .bmp. I'm not aware of any in-game screen capture function.

Moo, Chris

#2926452 - 12/25/09 12:27 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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I just used 'Printscreen' and Photoshop.

Very tolerant of Alt-tabbing, & although it doesn't appear in the program list you only need click into the sim to return to it.

#2926879 - 12/26/09 12:58 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Lieste]  
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Just tried it out. Very neat, gives a very good idea of what it must have been like to use these for real. I just took out a drone flying a B-52 strike profile, now to try something a little more challenging.

-Jenrick

#2926973 - 12/26/09 07:54 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: jenrick]  
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For the ultimate challenge, see if you can stop a two or three missile ripple of the Koliber AShM fired on the Ustka test range in Northern Poland. They travel so fast that even locking them in the time available isn't assured, and the remaining fragments often overfly the firing battalion...

Being under fire from SSN22, SSN12 or SSN19 type AShM suddenly doesn't look fun at all...

(S75 is equivalent to the SAN-2, and S125 to the SAN-1 so both saw service as shipboard AADMS).

The P15 'Styx' isn't too much of a challenge by comparison, but having more than one in the air tends to make them too short-legged to reach as they perform a dog-leg.

#2927482 - 12/27/09 08:36 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Lieste]  
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I'll try that. Currently I've been messing with 4 aircraft flights, or a pair with jamming. More then one target moving at high speed makes for a very difficult exercise regardless of profile.

-Jenrick

#2930465 - 12/31/09 08:38 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: jenrick]  
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So far, you shot on drones, and other easy targets...
... now, you can feel the full might of the USAF unleashed.

New version of the SAMsim is released:
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Includes the situation of Hanoi (Linebacker-II raid 19.12.1972.):
4:40am 19th of December, 1972. Hundred plane is participating in the third wave, during Night-1 of the Linebacker-II raid against Hanoi, the biggest bombardment of a city since World War-II. 51 B-52 will deliver carpet bombing against the Kinh No Industrial Complex (18 B-52), Gia Lam Rail Road Yard (12 B-52), and the Hanoi Radio (21 B-52). The supporting force consist of 36 F-4E Phantom-II, 6 F-105G Wild Weasel, 2 EB-66B Destroyer, 2 EA-6B Prowler, 1 EC-135 Looking Glass and 1 EC-121H AWACS. The nine SA-2 battery, defending Hanoi is firing 35 missiles during 16 engagements. B-52D `Rose-01` is shot down, Cpt. Richard Cooper, and TSgt. Charlie Poole dies. Cpt. Hal Wilson, Cpt. Charles Brown, Maj. Fernando Alexander, and Cpt. Henry Barrows are survives the ejection. B-52D `Rainbow-01` is also hit, but able to fly back to base.

Target acquisition radar display range can be selected between 90-180-360km.
Corrected several minor issues. (invisible ground targets, ground targets out of destruction zone, switching to I87V while range tracking)
Missile g limit is reduced to the realistic level.
Jamming burn-through is implemented.
Wartime scenario pre-mission briefing maps added.

Happy New Year!


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(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#2930512 - 12/31/09 10:05 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Hpasp]  
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Looks good, and I have downloaded the new version.

Looking further ahead, the AAR functions of .916 will be very welcome.

The most frequent comment I see is the lack of scalable resolution is hurting accessibility for those with flat screens particularly.

#2930545 - 12/31/09 11:08 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Lieste]  
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This is going to be a cult classic. I'm looking for our old trackball so I can see if that helps target acquisition with the P18 radar in manual control for the S75. I can't seem to get it right with the mouse, I'm forever jamming the radar down.

Miao, Cat


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#2930557 - 12/31/09 11:36 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Cat]  
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Use the H<5 switch smile
That allows the SNR-75V3 to bank 3 degrees below the horizon, without locking down.

Last edited by Hpasp; 01/01/10 01:28 PM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#2931813 - 01/03/10 03:52 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Hpasp]  
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Welcome Hpasp!

Thanks for this labor of love!!!


Words, such as liberal and liberty, all trace their history to the Latin liber, which means "free".
#2932025 - 01/03/10 05:15 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: exhausted]  
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Version v916 is released
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home
It contains After Action Report window, and some fixes...

Happy New Year,
Hpasp


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#2932051 - 01/03/10 05:53 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Hpasp]  
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That was fast!

Miao, CAt


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#2932065 - 01/03/10 06:20 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Cat]  
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I was toying the idea of AAR for quite of a time.

We also wanted to give the players of the feeling of the FOG of WAR.
Most of us were probably laughed on the Vietnamese, or Serbian reports of shooting down the 2000. US plane, but sitting behind the controls of an SA-2, you could only see, that your missile blown up...
... is it really hit anything???
You will be never sure of.

Now I would need to dig myself inside of the historical reports about El Dorado Canyon.
That was the fist time ever, the HARM missile was fired by anger.
(The toughest opponent of any SAM)

Best Regards,
Hpasp


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#2932073 - 01/03/10 06:33 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Hpasp]  
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Some serious military site about this sim...
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Sov-SAM-Simulator.html

"Air Power Auatralia sought advice from several contributors with operational experience on these systems, and all confirmed that the simulator provides a high quality representation of the SNR-75 Fan Song E, and SNR-125 Low Blow."


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#2932333 - 01/04/10 02:03 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Some serious military site about this sim...
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Sov-SAM-Simulator.html

"Air Power Auatralia sought advice from several contributors with operational experience on these systems, and all confirmed that the simulator provides a high quality representation of the SNR-75 Fan Song E, and SNR-125 Low Blow."


There's nothing better for a sim than guys that operated the real thing to say it's realistic. Playing flight sims gives the impression that the SAM operators have it easy, so it's nice to see how challenging it really is to operate even the "simple" SA-2. I'm looking forward to seeing which systems you'll model, and I'll keep hoping for an SA-10 Grumble!

#2932567 - 01/04/10 03:48 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Now THAT's certainly interesting.

yep


"...late afternoon the Air Tasking Order came in [and] we found the A-10 part and we said, "We are going where!? We are doing what!?"

Capt. Todd Sheehy, Hog pilot, on receiving orders during Operation Desert Storm

#2953899 - 02/06/10 08:09 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Para_Bellum]  
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Documentation describing the events of the "Operation El-Dorado Canyon" can be downloaded from:
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/

As my historical analysis of these events are now concluded, I can start to program it into the SAMSIM.
smile


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3003879 - 04/30/10 03:37 PM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: Hpasp]  
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It might be interesting for You, that:

How to shoot the F-117A with the S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B) VIDEO TUTORIAL, made by UV59 Hungarian exSAM battery commander is available...

http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3004403 - 05/01/10 07:36 AM Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day [Re: NaiseFail]  
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Originally Posted By: NaiseFail
Yah, I've always thought a "all-in-one" sim that actually had high fidelity modeling would be great. However no one is interested in putting the time and resources into making a sim like that.


I don't share this pessimistic view. It may still be five to ten years ahead, but the chances aren't too bad, the more simulations are capable of interfacing with each other. This is not a trivial issue ... but since armies more and more are willing to throw low cost simulations into their mix of simulation tools - and at the same time want them to work with the "big" sims as well - even us small developers have an incentive to develop the necessary drivers for interaction.

Okay, so we still need to come together at some point and create a common package. I could imagine that a joint game server with a pay for play scheme might be a business model that will make the (independent) developers consider if they shouldn't recycle the already finished integration work for the military to integrate their products for the consumers as well. I don't think it would work with a big game publisher though.

But give us some more time to develop really mature interfaces that are robust and capable. Soldiers make better guinea pigs than consumers. We need to work out the rough edges first.


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