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#2914074 - 12/05/09 04:39 PM
The end of a fox. (Warning dead animal)
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I went hunting today with my neighbour and his friends. They use combination arms, typically 12 gauge/6.5x55 mm drillings from Gebrder Merkel. They only use iron sights. The weapons are perfect for our kind of hunting, which combines pheasants, deer and fox. The latter are quite numerous here, so some kind of regulation is necessary to keep the foxes healthy This beautifully marked male was killed from a distance of 60 meters while running, with a single shot in the throat. Someway I felt a little sad since this particular fox used to eat apples from the ground in my garden. 
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#2914079 - 12/05/09 04:45 PM
Re: The end of a fox. (Warning dead animal)
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I'm not 100% sure why you'd want to post that, Jen.
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#2914083 - 12/05/09 04:49 PM
Re: The end of a fox. (Warning dead animal)
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You know, I gave up hunting years ago. I just prefer to watch animals with binoculars rather than rifle scopes.
I think the turning point for me was many years ago, we were out deer hunting and we saw this coyote running away from us. He was close, not more than a hundred yards and running straight away. An easy shot.
But what a beautiful animal! Thick winter coat with shades of red and gray and black. I saw him in my scope and had the crosshairs on him and thought "No, I can't do it". My buddy was standing right next to me and he had his rifle up also. And like me, took it down. We just looked at each other and said "That is one great looking coyote". So we let him run away, to live another day.
I don't know, maybe I've gotten soft in my old age, but I just can't do it anymore. I've hunted since I was ten or younger. A lot of years. But honestly, looking back with 20/20 hindsight, I didn't enjoy it much. I enjoyed being outdoors, camping, hiking, that stuff, but the actual hunting, no.
I remember once, we were javelina hunting and my dad was on one hillside and I was on the opposing hillside. He flushed a javelina right in front of him. I could have shot it, but I didn't. We met up later and he was fuming. "Why didn't you shoot?" I said "Dad, you were right there, I couldn't take a chance of a ricochet coming out sideways and hitting you".
Which was true. But it was also true I just didn't want to shoot it.
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#2914088 - 12/05/09 04:57 PM
Re: The end of a fox. (Warning dead animal)
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You know, I gave up hunting years ago. I just prefer to watch animals with binoculars rather than rifle scopes.
I think the turning point for me was many years ago, we were out deer hunting and we saw this coyote running away from us. He was close, not more than a hundred yards and running straight away. An easy shot.
But what a beautiful animal! Thick winter coat with shades of red and gray and black. I saw him in my scope and had the crosshairs on him and thought "No, I can't do it". My buddy was standing right next to me and he had his rifle up also. And like me, took it down. We just looked at each other and said "That is one great looking coyote". So we let him run away, to live another day.
I don't know, maybe I've gotten soft in my old age, but I just can't do it anymore. I've hunted since I was ten or younger. A lot of years. But honestly, looking back with 20/20 hindsight, I didn't enjoy it much. I enjoyed being outdoors, camping, hiking, that stuff, but the actual hunting, no.
I remember once, we were javelina hunting and my dad was on one hillside and I was on the opposing hillside. He flushed a javelina right in front of him. I could have shot it, but I didn't. We met up later and he was fuming. "Why didn't you shoot?" I said "Dad, you were right there, I couldn't take a chance of a ricochet coming out sideways and hitting you".
Which was true. But it was also true I just didn't want to shoot it. I respect that. Numerous times I havent fired my weapon. I for one prefer shooting birds and I love to eat them. I posted this because theres a lot of weapon fascination on this board, and I find the drilling quite a challenge to used. The guy who killed the fox is very skilled. We hunt in a balanced way, never take more than we can use.
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#2914096 - 12/05/09 05:10 PM
Re: The end of a fox. (Warning dead animal)
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Yeah me too - I've lost the fascination with killing animals - essentially when all it's for is sport. If you need the meat, require the warmth of the fur, I understand, there's a certain amount of respect and honor in those kind of killings.
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#2914121 - 12/05/09 05:48 PM
Re: The end of a fox. (Warning dead animal)
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Awesome.
So, hat and mittens?
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#2914123 - 12/05/09 05:53 PM
Re: The end of a fox. (Warning dead animal)
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I should mention that my family has several hunters (my nephew just got an antelope, his second one), and they think I'm touched in the head.
lol, so be it, I don't care. It's just not in me anymore to hunt. Did it for a lot of years, but as I said it never really was anything I cared for. It's what we did back then.
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#2914179 - 12/05/09 07:53 PM
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I could never kill an animal I did not need to eat.
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#2914181 - 12/05/09 08:05 PM
Re: The end of a fox. (Warning dead animal)
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I should mention that my family has several hunters (my nephew just got an antelope, his second one), and they think I'm touched in the head.
lol, so be it, I don't care. It's just not in me anymore to hunt. Did it for a lot of years, but as I said it never really was anything I cared for. It's what we did back then. As I said I respect your point of view Well I used to be much more into it. I posted this picture because this is a beautiful animal, which suffered dead from a bullit. So what? It didnt deserve this, but there are definitly to many foxes around here. My friend killed it because it was the one of the purposes of our hunting day. To decimate the fox population I also go flyfishing (which I prefer much over hunting). Sometimes I kill a trout and I eat it. But the religion here is to put all trouts back in the water. So why the h... do they fish? Ive been a game and a fish preserver all my life, but now I have to keep up with gyus saying, "its just the process, I love fishing , I could never kill a fish." Drop dead. I love trout with a good white wine.
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#2914182 - 12/05/09 08:07 PM
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As a cop I had several opportunities to kill an injured deer, but someone else was always there who didn't mind.
I'd much rather shoot a deserving human.
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#2914190 - 12/05/09 08:25 PM
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I used to make good money back when the fur market was decent. When I was in high school (late 70s, early 80s) I could make enough during fur season to buy all my clothes the rest of the year and have some extra spending money too. A friend and I hunted together three to five nights a week back then. Then the Hollywood tree-huggers killed that industry too. A big fur market at the time was the USSR, and their economy went in the tank about the same time. Now we've got an over-population of raccoon, ringtail, fox, and coyote. Not to mention bobcats are getting pretty numerous and it isn't all that uncommon for someone to find mountain lion tracks in the area now either.
I'm not for indiscriminate killing for the sake of killing, but there is a balance to be struck. Like it or not humans are a force of nature. We've cleaned up a lot of diseases that used to keep the animal populations in check. Without a certain amount of animals harvested they will over-populate nowadays. A balanced population is a healthy one.
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#2914195 - 12/05/09 08:36 PM
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20mm,
About watching them as opposed to waisting them, I think that comes with maturity. I think you've made the right decision. I love to shoot, but I don't see the point to disturbing something that is doing no harm.
But I do side with Scylla when he says he'd much rather shoot a deserving human.
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#2914205 - 12/05/09 08:52 PM
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If it had been a photo of a deer, moose, or elk that a member had taken, would some of the reactions have been the same?
Another "won't kill it except for food" guy here, BUT that rule doesn't go for vermin or overpopulations. Although depending on what I'm shooting, I might eat the vermin or overpopulated critters.
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#2914237 - 12/05/09 09:48 PM
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I've done most hunting without using a firearm or bow. That bullet in the throat isn't a great way to go, but it's better than the results from most traps or simple starvation and disease.
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#2914263 - 12/05/09 10:44 PM
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Yeah. I don't mind hunting - and would like to get into it. The distance between how we get our food and our what we put on our tables is very far for most of us. I'm all for population control if the control is for the benefit of the animal due to starvation or something. Thinning deer herds because someone might inconveniently run into one on a road is ridiculous though. Then again, there rarely is balance between the human species and any other species..human interests nearly always win out in the end.
Trapping has got to be the worst way to go. I can't imagine having a limb stuck in a vice for a couple days. The terror, pain and suffering I don't even like to imagine. Or animals trying to gnaw their own leg off in attempt to free themselves.
My other big point of compassion is animals that have families of their own at "home". I always hate to see a raccoon or something on the side of the road dead because I think of the family they were likely trying to get food for..and how those offspring are now likely doomed too because they won't be fed. Nature is so full of wonder and tragedy..
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#2914269 - 12/05/09 11:02 PM
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Managing deer population isn't all about their status as road hazards, though that does play into it. The deer don't have any natural predators since the wolves are gone in most areas. If left alone, they would exhaust the food supply, causing mass starvation for the herds.
As for the food supply, overgrazing has serious repercussions on everything from soil erosion to other critters that rely upon those plants for shelter.
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The only thing I dislike about hunting is the trophy hunters. Nature's cruelty and indifference select for the hardiest and the strongest in the herd. Trophy hunters do the opposite.
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#2914393 - 12/06/09 03:35 AM
Re: The end of a fox. (Warning dead animal)
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These little critters probably killed more deer than wolves did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CochliomyiaI can remember treating livestock for screwworms when I was a kid. Nasty things. Up to the early 1970s deer were relatively rare in my area. By the early 1980s an area less than 20 miles south of me was said to have the highest density of deer per square mile of any place on Earth. We enforce strict management rules on the hunters on our ranches to help keep the deer population in balance, doe vs. buck. Problem is, so many people are feeding deer now and the protein supplements practically guarantee a set of twins from each doe which is really causing a population explosion.
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#2914427 - 12/06/09 04:50 AM
Re: The end of a fox. (Warning dead animal)
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Photos like this should not be allowed here just as I am not allowed to post photos of a guy in woman's underwear. Both are offensive to some members. Right 20mm?
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