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#2892737 - 11/02/09 12:57 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: semmern]  
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Personally I'm more a fan of 'Hornblower', but M&C was a very good movie. Interesting that both in Hornblower and in the Aubrey/Maturin books (and movies) you encounter the same stories - for example the raft with the lantern they built that then drifted off, thus escaping a French ship of the line. o'Brian and Forrester definitely used the same captain's logs.


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#2892765 - 11/02/09 02:03 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: Legend]  
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Originally Posted By: Legend
thus escaping a French ship of the line.


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Technically, a ship of the line was a ship much larger than a frigate (which is what the Surprise is escaping from in the film smile ). A ship of the line would typically carry from 74 guns and up, and be part of the line of battle, hence the name
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Got you there, you landlubber biggrin wink


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#2892781 - 11/02/09 02:44 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: semmern]  
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Maybe he was interpreting the 44 gun french frigate/privateer as a cut down ship of the line or a razeed frigate, which is what the British thought the American "heavy frigates" really were--cut down ships of the line. So, he wasn't really that far off wink


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#2892788 - 11/02/09 03:01 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: semmern]  
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This is part of the reason why I love SimHQ so much. Rivet-counting is alive and well. smile


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#2892791 - 11/02/09 03:09 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Technically speaking it is cannon-counting biggrin


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#2892794 - 11/02/09 03:16 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: semmern]  
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Another series worth reading is the Bolitho series by Alexander Kent, which is a pseudonym for Douglas Reeman. Reeman has written a ton of naval fiction set in WWI and WWII mainly under his own name as well. He joined the Royal Navy at the age of 16 in 1940, and served in WWII and Korea, rising to Lieutenant.

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Anyway, they escaped from this French boat...

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Been a while since I saw the movie... I thought the story was that the Acheron was so much stronger it was a ship of the line.

Are there wooden ship models that depict this era BTW? Billing Boats, Artesania... stuff like that. Can't really remember... It can only remember older (galleons, viking ships) or newer (clippers) models.


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#2892818 - 11/02/09 03:58 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: Legend]  
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Originally Posted By: Legend
Been a while since I saw the movie... I thought the story was that the Acheron was so much stronger it was a ship of the line.


The Surprise was an aging 28-gun frigate, the Acheron a new, 44-gun one. It was armed with 18-pounders IIRC, as opposed to the Surprise's 9-pounders, thus throwing considerably more metal with each broadside. The fact that frigates grew around the start of the 19th century and that the Surprise was somewhat aging ("would you call ME an aging man-of-war, doctor?" wink ), is often made a point of in the novels. Even Jack Aubrey doubts he could take on one of the new 38-gun American frigates in the Surprise, but mostly because she wasn't built to take the guns that would be required to attack one. Yet he still loves his ship, and indeed takes it yardarm to yardarm with a French 74 in the Indian Ocean in "HMS Surprise", the third novel, actually managing to inflict some damage, and getting away because of the superior sailing qualities of his ship.

That is one of the things I love so much about O'Brian's books; the descriptions of how Aubrey loves the Surprise, and is able to bring out the best of its sailing qualities, often outrunning much larger and more powerful ships.


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#2892831 - 11/02/09 04:07 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: Legend]  
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They basically based Archeron on USS Constitution -- a 44 gun American built frigate (which the British thought were really cut down ships of line during the War of 1812--which they were not, but were in fact about as strong and powerful as a ship of line). In fact, they may have used Constitution for some of the long shots in the opening battle--or based the shots from film taken during her sailing restoration.

To model Archeron, use a kit of the Constitution. There are plenty of wooden sailing ship kits out there from companies like Mamoli, Billings Boats, Artesanian Latine, Model Shipways etc. And some good plastic kits too from Revell, Airfix and Heller. The old Lindberg "La Flora" kit, now often labelled as "The Jolly Roger" Pirate Ship, makes a decent substitute for Surprise.


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#2892866 - 11/02/09 04:55 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: semmern]  
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Speaking of number of guns, I recall reading that the "Santisima Trinidad" which was the Spanish flagship during the Battle of Trafalgar had 103 guns. Crazy!


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#2892868 - 11/02/09 04:59 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
I realized how great the casting was when it occurred to me that no one else could have played the roles of Aubrey and Maturin as brilliantly as Russell Crowe and Paul Bettany.


Interestingly, Patrick O'Brian imagined that Charlton Heston would have made a good Jack Aubrey.

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Originally Posted By: Alan Smithee

Interestingly, Patrick O'Brian imagined that Charlton Heston would have made a good Jack Aubrey.


He definitely had the acting ability to pull it off but I dont know how good his English accent was. I dont think I've ever seen a movie with Heston where he used one.


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#2892901 - 11/02/09 05:36 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Interestingly, Patrick O'Brian imagined that Charlton Heston would have made a good Jack Aubrey.


He definitely had the acting ability to pull it off but I dont know how good his English accent was. I dont think I've ever seen a movie with Heston where he used one.


I thought O'Brian's mentioning Heston was very strange as Heston's body type is completely different than Aubrey's in the books; in the books, Maturin is constantly needling Aubrey about his corpulence whereas Heston epitomises lean. Peter Weir said that if they had cast the characters of Aubrey and Maturin as described in the books, the characters would have resembled Laurel and Hardy and the audience would not have bought into the story. In the end, they decided to take some liberties with the characters, which I think was the right decision.

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Another series worth reading is the Bolitho series by Alexander Kent, which is a pseudonym for Douglas Reeman. Reeman has written a ton of naval fiction set in WWI and WWII mainly under his own name as well. He joined the Royal Navy at the age of 16 in 1940, and served in WWII and Korea, rising to Lieutenant.


I think I have read everything Reeman (Kent) has ever written. The last few have been a bit repetitive of earlier works....but I still enjoyed them.

The Bolitho series is excellent and spans generations of the Bolitho family and touches on many great historical naval events.


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#2893017 - 11/02/09 08:14 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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There's a relatively new series by Julian Stockwell--the "Kydd" series that's about a guy who goes from pressed seaman to admiral. I read the first two books a couple of years ago. Pretty good but I couldn't bring myself to start another series.


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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Speaking of number of guns, I recall reading that the "Santisima Trinidad" which was the Spanish flagship during the Battle of Trafalgar had 103 guns. Crazy!


I think it was actually 130. 30 more than the Victory eek


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#2894455 - 11/04/09 08:07 PM Re: Master & Commander ending music [Re: 20mm]  
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Oh, I gotta get this.


Got it yet? wink


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
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Originally Posted By: semmern
Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Speaking of number of guns, I recall reading that the "Santisima Trinidad" which was the Spanish flagship during the Battle of Trafalgar had 103 guns. Crazy!


I think it was actually 130. 30 more than the Victory eek


I meant to type 130. Damn internet typing dyslexia! biggrin


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