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#2882586 - 10/19/09 03:55 PM AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... !  
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..... pilot said to be OK!

Sad.

RED HOOK, N.Y. -- Authorities say a World War I replica biplane crashed shortly after takeoff at a New York aviation museum known for its air shows. No one was hurt.

The Dutchess County Sheriff's Office says Saturday's accident at the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in Red Hook happened around 3 p.m.

They say the Avro 504K replica was up about 300 feet when the engine stalled. The plane crashed in a swamp on museum property.

Both of the biplane's top wings collapsed. The lower two were damaged.

The plane was being piloted by a 50-year-old Ancramdale man.

The Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome is marketed as a "living" museum with one of the largest collections of airplanes in the world.

Sunday shows feature World War I dogfights. Visitors can take biplane rides.

(Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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#2882589 - 10/19/09 03:59 PM Re: AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... ! [Re: womenfly2]  
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Too bad about that plane, but atleast the pilot survived. That's more important.

#2882611 - 10/19/09 04:41 PM Re: AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... ! [Re: MattM]  
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Ouch! Glad the pilot's OK. I guess 504s don't glide very well...

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#2882614 - 10/19/09 04:43 PM Re: AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... ! [Re: MattM]  
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Good to hear no one was hurt. Why have there been an increased number of crashes recently though? I don't know about the early history of ORA so I'm unsure if there's been a disproportionate number of crashes recently.

#2882615 - 10/19/09 04:45 PM Re: AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... ! [Re: RocketDog]  
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The sound made by the crash is eerie ... gave me the shivers.

Very glad the pilot walked away and no fire!


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#2882625 - 10/19/09 05:02 PM Re: AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... ! [Re: womenfly2]  
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Looks like he tried to get back to the runway after the engine quit?! Isn't that the classic beginners mistake that killed hundreds if not thousands of WW1 pilots? It's difficult to judge from this small piece of film, but it looks like it may have actually glided for a bit longer if he had just kept his course...

#2882631 - 10/19/09 05:22 PM Re: AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... ! [Re: Vanderstok]  
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Do a Goggle Earth and look at the North end of the runway, not many places to set her down. Lots of trees and a small field to the west with a house.

At 300 feet these planes do not glide very far, high drag, loose airspeed very fast hence why the steep nose down.

Making a steep turn at 300 feet, not a good idea. Best to stall her onto the tree tops, maybe?

I would really fear fire.


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#2882679 - 10/19/09 06:29 PM Re: AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... ! [Re: womenfly2]  
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Well, few people get to ride in a WWI era airplane. Far fewer get to crash in one and talk about it afterward!

Not sure what's beyond the tree line, so it's a tough call regarding what the pilot could have done differently, other than avoid the trees all together (while in a vintage aircraft with an aged rotary in it).

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speaker is funny....with that calm voice saying that he will land now a bit earlier...LOL


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Just in from ORA ....
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Saturday the AVRO 504k Piloted by Bill Gorden Suffered engine malfunction causing the engine to stop in air. Mr. Gorden skillfully maintained control of the aircraft despite strong headwinds and low airspeed, and was forced to land in the trees several hundred feet from the runway. He was uninjured. Sunday morning the FAA preformed an inspection, and supervised the removal of the aircraft from the woods. The 504 is in relatively good shape, and the FAA is aware of the cause of the failure, and will be releasing a report as to the cause.


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#2882802 - 10/19/09 10:39 PM Re: AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... ! [Re: womenfly2]  
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Good to hear. Very tough decision, having to land in the trees!

#2882903 - 10/20/09 01:32 AM Re: AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... ! [Re: Vanderstok]  
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Originally Posted By: Vanderstok
Looks like he tried to get back to the runway after the engine quit?! Isn't that the classic beginners mistake that killed hundreds if not thousands of WW1 pilots? It's difficult to judge from this small piece of film, but it looks like it may have actually glided for a bit longer if he had just kept his course...


That was my impression too. Glad he beat the odds.

#2882918 - 10/20/09 01:57 AM Re: AVRO 504 down at ORA ....... ! [Re: womenfly2]  
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Originally Posted By: womenfly2
Just in from ORA ....
Quote:
Saturday the AVRO 504k Piloted by Bill Gorden Suffered engine malfunction causing the engine to stop in air. Mr. Gorden skillfully maintained control of the aircraft despite strong headwinds and low airspeed, and was forced to land in the trees several hundred feet from the runway. He was uninjured. Sunday morning the FAA preformed an inspection, and supervised the removal of the aircraft from the woods. The 504 is in relatively good shape, and the FAA is aware of the cause of the failure, and will be releasing a report as to the cause.



Strong headwind, bunch of drag, none-feather-able prop, low speed and low altitude. I'll say good job on the pilot.

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Well, it's good to hear that the pilot hasn't injured and maybe even the plane can be re-built again. After all, I would still have a bi-plane ride. :))))


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