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#2749608 - 06/25/09 12:05 PM Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing  
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In July (I think) it will be the 40th anniversary of the first manned moon landing. There have been a few TV programmes on here in the UK about the subject. Very interesting. I've never been THAT big into space stuff before, but I have a new found interest and respect for it.

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#2749733 - 06/25/09 02:19 PM Re: Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing [Re: Flyboy]  
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I just always wonder why the planet hasn't done squat in space accept the space station and hubble in over 40yrs. You would think we would have already been to Mars already.

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The cool thing is they found the original moon landing footage, here's hoping we get to see it!

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/110442/WORLD-EXCLUSIVE-NASA-finds-missing-moon-landing-tapes

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Which also means the History Channel or Discovery or TLC will show crappy "documentaries" with crackpot "specialists" who swear up and down that we didn't land on the moon, astronauts on the Apollo flights saw evidence of UFO's that NASA is suppressing, etc etc. Hopefully somebody shows "From the Earth to the Moon" or "The Right Stuff" in the next couple of weeks.


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#2757111 - 07/03/09 12:30 AM Re: Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing [Re: DarkOne]  
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Originally Posted By: DarkOne
I just always wonder why the planet hasn't done squat in space accept the space station and hubble in over 40yrs. You would think we would have already been to Mars already.


It is a shame, but you see what it took in terms of resources to get there (and back).

I forget the exact numbers, but think I read somewhere that in the 1960's almost 1/3 of every working American was participating in the Moon Launch in some form or another. Meaning working for Nasa, Gov't contractors, the people who made Tang, etc.

What an acheivement though! I'm afraid we need warp drive to go further (or something more advanced than liquid fuel propulsion). Not economically feasible otherwise.

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#2757486 - 07/03/09 03:00 PM Re: Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing [Re: piper]  
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Yes, I am afraid to say but we are a doomed species because we will never colonize another habitable planet before it is too late.

#2821398 - 07/18/09 02:50 PM Re: Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing [Re: guppy]  
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I'm one of the ones that isn't 100% sure we did ever go to the moon.
From the evidence out there, it is hard to say we did. Even if you didn't take all the photographic evidence into consideration, there is still the question of how the Astronauts survived the Van Allen Belt.
If you ever get a chance to see the documentary: Conspiracy Theory Did We Land On The Moon it has some really compelling evidence that no one can explain and in many case NASA will not comment on at all. And when they do, it is more statements than anything to disprove the evidence.

The Russian's have stated that they have never sent men to moon because they could not build a spacecraft with 6feet (or whatever the figures were) of lead shielding to protect their Cosmonauts from the radiation.

Brian O'Leary a NASA Astronaut said he can't say with 100% certainty we ever went to the moon.

There is also the question of backdrops showing the lander in some and in others it isn't there.

From all the evidence presented, it is very hard to deny it and simply say we do so go to the moon.

You can download the entire show from Rapidshare:
http://rapidlibrary.com/index.php?q=land+on+moon

Now I am not one to fall into all the conspiracy theories out there. Many have very little evidence and just don't convince me of anything. However, when seeing all the things wrong with the photos and the fact that the Asronauts would have been toasted in the radiation,,, well I must say they make very strong points that can't be easily dismissed.


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#2821469 - 07/18/09 04:22 PM Re: Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing [Re: TailFlamer]  
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The Russian comment pretty much sinks the no-Moon argument alone for me. They were racing the U.S. to the moon, so wouldn't they have cried foul and worked hard to prove it if they knew the U.S. couldn't have done it as they said?

There are several other reasons those conspiracy theories don't work, like how many scientists who know about the Van Allen belt and have info on the Apollo spacecraft that would have to be involved in any sort of cover-up for the past 40 years.

It's a lot easier to selectively present information in a short film and make it look convincing than having it analyzed from every angle for 40 years and still have the vast majority of scientists still confirm that it happened.


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#2821900 - 07/19/09 09:05 AM Re: Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing [Re: Arthonon]  
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For anyone wondering, here's a pretty good collection of hoax conspiracy theory "evidence", and the coresponding scientific explanations.


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#2821924 - 07/19/09 12:15 PM Re: Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing [Re: McGonigle]  
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Hi again

Here is the program I was talking about seeing. I now know there are more on TV, because yesterday I saw a different one. The one yesterday did not show some of the more compelling photos that the NASA rep wouldn't comment on in the this show.

Moon Landing Hoax.
This is the full 43min show.
View it with an open mind. That may be difficult, since it shows things you may believe to be different than what you will see, but try.


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#2821960 - 07/19/09 02:15 PM Re: Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing [Re: TailFlamer]  
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Originally Posted By: TailFlamer
View it with an open mind. That may be difficult, since it shows things you may believe to be different than what you will see, but try.


So open your brains fall out?
Shows like that are typical of the utter rubbish that woo-woo's present; they are a combination of lies, part-truths, miss-interpretations, and sensationalist rubbish.
Why waste time with this crap when it's been thoroughly proven wrong some many times it's not funny?


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I haven't seen real proof, either way.
One side says one thing, the other says something else. That is not proof, that is arguments supporting both sides. Neither actully proves a thing.


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#2822072 - 07/19/09 05:25 PM Re: Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing [Re: TailFlamer]  
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Originally Posted By: TailFlamer
I haven't seen real proof, either way.
One side says one thing, the other says something else. That is not proof, that is arguments supporting both sides. Neither actully proves a thing.


Right, except that there are millions of people across the globe who have studied what happened, tracked it as it was happening, many of which would have reasons to disprove it, and they haven't.

Bottom line, why would you believe the few people involved with these films and whatnot over the very-capable scientists of the Soviet Union who would have loved to have proved it didn't happen, the scientists across the globe who have studied and worked on the results from it, and all the scientists in the U.S. who worked on it and would have to have all committed to a conspiracy and kept to it all these years?


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#2822124 - 07/19/09 06:34 PM Re: Will soon be 40th annviersary of moon landing [Re: Arthonon]  
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Well see, here is another argument.
The Soviets did keep quiet about our having to pull our missiles from Truky in 1963, so it isn't like they couldn't be agreeable.
Take a factory. Many folks working on parts, but really have little idea of what exactly that part is going to be used for or how it is installed. So just because they work on part of the whole, only final assemby really knows how it all goes together.

Like I said before, I have always been one to look at everything, not just bits and pieces.
My motto is explore everything, then decide.
I have been known as the guy that can find potential issues during design and/or production phases.

In the case of the moon trips, I can't say with certainty one way or the other.
I can not say yes, we went. I can not say no we didn't. As it is, I am not sure either way. I can say I will probably never know this as I don't have firsthand access to the material.

From what I have seen, it gives me doubts, so I just can't say for sure.


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Originally Posted By: TailFlamer
Well see, here is another argument.
The Soviets did keep quiet about our having to pull our missiles from Truky in 1963, so it isn't like they couldn't be agreeable.

A. It didn't stay a secret that long
B. It was part of a specific solution to a specific problem
C. There weren't thousands of scientists working with the outcome of it before it went public.

Originally Posted By: TailFlamer
Take a factory. Many folks working on parts, but really have little idea of what exactly that part is going to be used for or how it is installed. So just because they work on part of the whole, only final assemby really knows how it all goes together.


True, but that really only has meaning if there weren't many other obvious things that pointed to it being real.

Originally Posted By: TailFlamer
Like I said before, I have always been one to look at everything, not just bits and pieces.
My motto is explore everything, then decide.
I have been known as the guy that can find potential issues during design and/or production phases.

In the case of the moon trips, I can't say with certainty one way or the other.
I can not say yes, we went. I can not say no we didn't. As it is, I am not sure either way. I can say I will probably never know this as I don't have firsthand access to the material.

From what I have seen, it gives me doubts, so I just can't say for sure.


Technically, I suppose that unless you were there in the LM as it touched down you couldn't tell for certain that it really happened, so you just have to take the other evidence available and use that do decide. I have never personally seen my heart, but I'm guessing it's there because I can feel it beat, and the general consensus is I'd be dead without it.

Many people, most of whom could only gain fame and attention for proving the Moon landings didn't happen, have shown that virtually all the things pointed to as evidence the landing never took place are incorrect or inconclusive. Stars not being in the sky, the background looking like backdrops, etc., have all been demonstrated as at the very least being possible under the circumstances of an actual landing, and in most cases being expected. Take a look at this synopsis, for one example:
http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-104-nasa-moon-landing

Plus, again, you have the thousands of scientists across the globe (not just Russian and American) who have worked with information around the landings for decades, and don't seem to have any doubts about it being true.


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LOL, you lost at Mythbusters, my friend. A funny show sometimes, but certainly not something I would put any stock into.


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Originally Posted By: TailFlamer
LOL, you lost at Mythbusters, my friend. A funny show sometimes, but certainly not something I would put any stock into.


They're certainly far more reliable than the sources you quote, so if you're laughing at that, you can only imagine how I feel about your sources, yet I've tried to be polite about it.

Edit:

Here, try these...

http://www.clavius.org/
Very comprehensive, and they also give their own take on the Mythbusters process, and support it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Apollo11MoonLanding/Story?id=8104410&page=1
ABC News' recent article

Newsweek (talks about clavius.org)
http://www.newsweek.com/id/207149

The Telegraph from the U.K.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtec...s-debunked.html

I'm sure there are more if you look. I'd link NASA's site but I'm sure you'd just figure they were supporting the conspiracy.

Edit #2

Here's another site:
http://www.space.com/news/SI_moon_hoax-1.html

And here's an excerpt that shows a very small detail, and if NASA faked it and were able to take this into consideration, then it would be amazing that they missed all the other, far more obvious things:

Quote:
The conspiracy theorists look at the hours and hours of video transmissions sent back from the Moon, much of it in color and of very good clarity, and see in it evidence of fakery. Actually, its that very footage which proves men did walk on the Moon. When the astronauts booted feet hit the surface, the loose lunar soil sprayed up. In the vacuum environment, the dust particles act like little cannonballs, following a ballistic trajectory perfect parabolas that take them up and directly back down. If this had been faked in a Nevada film studio, as the conspiracy theorists claim, the extremely fine-grain dust would have billowed up, supported by the Earths thick atmosphere. Ironically, even though the Moons gravity is only one-sixth that of the Earth, the dust falls faster because there is no air to keep it aloft. Therefore, the only way this footage could have been taken was in a low gravity vacuum environment.


Now if you still want to entertain the thought of the Moon landings being a hoax, it's for that very reason - you simply want to. I'll leave it at that.

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Originally Posted By: Arthonon
Now if you still want to entertain the thought of the Moon landings being a hoax, it's for that very reason - you simply want to. I'll leave it at that.


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And it's soon 37 years since we last went to the moon.

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Originally Posted By: TailFlamer
I'm one of the ones that isn't 100% sure we did ever go to the moon.


Uh. Not again. I agree some hoax theories are fairly compelling but they have to be and are designed as such to get attention. Most Hoax propogators have something to sell.

If you want to learn more:

Robert A. Braeunig's site

Phil Plait's site

Hope this helps

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