#2700034 - 03/30/09 10:11 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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Hey Viks, you know this just gets circular? Whatever your response.
im tryin when i can:) right now im chewin my dinner and makin fast check of "fresh" tipics, sometimes i cant read all of them What about Navigation Maps.
there will be an inflight navigation map with few regimes, depend if you have icons on/off. Map will be a copy of our whole map. we didnt managed to put it into release, but we plan to implement it in the feature patches (yet dunno when).
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#2700035 - 03/30/09 10:15 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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But the question is why it is not just stored locally but on a master server?
(From what I know it is about avoiding tampering with the data by the user...) It is an kind of DRM protection for ROF - part of the system.
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#2700036 - 03/30/09 10:16 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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If to be simple at all - you accaunt, which is you and all your awards/stats/planes etc etc., - stores everyhting about you on masterserver. So youll need to connect central server anyway. Thanks VikS for some of these clarifications, and I added emphasis to a part of your comments above. Without having to go into too much detail, can you also explain how the "planes etc." we buy are stored on the metaserver?
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#2700039 - 03/30/09 10:22 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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Thanks VikS for some of these clarifications, and I added emphasis to a part of your comments above. Without having to go into too much detail, can you also explain how the "aircraft" we buy are stored on the metaserver?
well, all aircraft which we will add in the feature - will be a free for all, exept they will be only AI controlled, but if youll like it - you will be able to buy it - so it will be able with cockpit + all other stuff (flyable for campaign, single mission). So metaserver will store information about you bought wthis plane and you can fly it, no need to store whole plane on metaserver.
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#2700040 - 03/30/09 10:27 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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So metaserver will store information about you bought wthis plane and you can fly it, no need to store whole plane on metaserver. This also forms an additional function of CP/DRM? That is, it's a way to protect against pirated aircraft, or cheat FMs being used?
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#2700042 - 03/30/09 10:30 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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So metaserver will store information about you bought wthis plane and you can fly it, no need to store whole plane on metaserver. This also forms an additional function of CP/DRM? That is, it's a way to protect against pirated aircraft, or cheat FMs being used? correct.
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#2700049 - 03/30/09 10:58 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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Because if the whole "benefit" of the online requirement is copy protection, then that is not something the end user benefits from. That is such a short-sighted perspective. You may not care if this sim succeeds, and you have your agenda and a whole forum you can speak to it about. Many of us can understand that the few companies making simulations these days need revenue to stay in business. If you can't see the benefits of these companies staying in business so that they can survive to support their products, and survive to launch new ones, then you've lost sight of one of the most important benefits this hobby industry offers to us.
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#2700051 - 03/30/09 11:07 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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This circular argument thing, I hope it will leave time for VikS to answer questions that he has not answered 201 times already
You need to be connected to the Internet to fly RoF, there is no offline play, don't like it don't buy it how many more times
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#2700054 - 03/30/09 11:10 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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Okay, so is there no GAMEPLAY benefit for an offline player for transmitting his statistics centrally? Seriously.
Because if the whole "benefit" of the online requirement is copy protection, then that is not something the end user benefits from. There have been a bunch of ideas how this could be turned into a more interesting offline experience, but if all it does is for copy protection, then what do WE as players get out of the deal with the required internet connection?
And if it's only copy protection that requires the online connection - then why can Steam and similar systems by other major publishers live without this? Viks didn't say it was the whole reason. Not just here, but in previous posts as well. I have always said the main reason for the online single play was copy protection mainly for addon flyables. But I've also said there could be other reasons for statistics too - they are collected for MP, why not SP? They may be useful for the player or for future development. yeah, yeah, I know ... NEXT....so, Viks what exactly is the benefit of collecting statistics? As I stated earlier, it just gets circular.
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#2700058 - 03/30/09 11:17 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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FR, with all respect: Every major game title of the recent years has been pirated. All the draconian DRM restrictions that were justified to us by arguing about "necessary income for survival of the developer" have so far failed. Black Shark - the most fitting comparison - had a working torrent released within a week.
You expect me to believe that this one will be different? Its different because its different. Its a different because its a different copy protection approach. I'm sure you will agree? Its different because of the business model ... the addon flyables. There would be a lot of temptation to get all these free, even among some that paid for the original game. Its different because there are likely to be many updates. We've been through those discussions before. Circular isn't the right expression, its more like we have gone around the kitchen table on this many times now.
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#2700064 - 03/30/09 11:24 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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Hey Viks, you know this just gets circular? Whatever your response.
im tryin when i can:) right now im chewin my dinner and makin fast check of "fresh" tipics, sometimes i cant read all of them What about Navigation Maps.
there will be an inflight navigation map with few regimes, depend if you have icons on/off. Map will be a copy of our whole map. we didnt managed to put it into release, but we plan to implement it in the feature patches (yet dunno when). Thanks Viks. Good to hear FF is PLANNED, and as a patch. Alway thought that of course. You hear the weirdest rumours here sometimes, conspiracy theories abound when a couple of the posters currently here get into a frenzy. "with few regimes" not sure what you mean. Can you zoom in on map so that you can identify landmarks from the terrain without waypoints or icons? Any pics?
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#2700067 - 03/30/09 11:27 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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Circular isn't the right expression, its more like we have gone around the kitchen table on this many times now. It's exactly the right expression because to define what a circular argument actually is would be disrespectful to the person who used that phrase when he meant flogging a dead horse, we all know what he/she means. You lot are so picky "Tell me, what are 'my lot'?" The Picky Ones that girls don't like, try to go with the flow or you'll never get laid pal Ming
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#2700068 - 03/30/09 11:28 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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and the new revelation that the game will ship Without Any single player campaign gives credence to peoples fears that it is a product targeted primarily at online dogfighters rather than those that wish to simulate World War One aerial combat... What? LOL. Everybody's right, you shouldn't buy the game. Bye bye birdie.
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#2700069 - 03/30/09 11:29 AM
Re: Rise of Flight Offline Play
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all I want is for Viks to step up and tell us ONE end user benefit of the online requirement/statistics transmissionThere are none, go away we've moved on and you've got your own thread somewhere I bet for this too. Happy now Ming
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by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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