Did a search and FAQ browse but couldn't find it. I'm getting back into F4AF after a break and can't remember/find the trick for setting the actual position of your target into the ICP/DED to make your dumb bombs accurate in CCRP. I believe it was a post called "making your dumb bombs smart" anyway if anyone has the lesson I'd appreciate a link. Thanks

Do you mean setting the tgt waypoint to the actual coords of a recon'd target??


In the pit:

Cycle to the waypoint you want to change

Press "List" button -> then button 1

then just enter in the lat and long coords in by clicking the number and enter buttons

but this method, not always effective isn't? this method need accurate target's coords. base my experience at Balkan theater, target's coord which givin to me not accurate a few degree so my bomb can't hit the target. So sometime we need run with CCIP mode

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No, the coordinates are always accurate for me.

There are other factors that will cause precision waypoint deliveries to miss, even on static targets; regardless of what others here would like to suggest.

Such as? I have never had any problems with this method.

Dumb bombs, as we all know, are free falling bombs and predesignated target doesn't make the bomb any smarter. Doing so just helps you to be more confident but, again, deliverying the bomb on the target by executing the given profile properly and precisely is your job, not the FCR's.

Geography-such as if a target is on the side of a hill, hidden in trees, behind a building etc...

The delivery method sometimes will cause a miss, such as in a CCRP lofting attack.

Attacking a static target in the open on flat terrain shouldn't be an issue, but the Diva didn't clarify that as such; only that sometimes precision drops weren't 100% sure hits.

IRL they will sometimes use CCIP even with precision coordinates, so as to get a last visual on their target. They will start a dive a set distance out, switch to CCIP and pickle on the diamond.

However if the line of sight to the target is obstructed by a static object (such as a hill) you should have seen that in your mission planning and planned your profile accordingly. As Bono said, precision coords will give very accurate bombing results, but only if you fly an effective delivery. If you miss under these circumstances the cause is not as you said the precision waypoint method, but bad planning/flying on your part. Even the "smartest" bomb can't make up for a bad delivery. Flying AG effectively is very challenging, it requires great planning, and then flying the profile exactly.

However Diva said that the coordinates are not always exactly on the target, this was never a problem for me.

This is called VRP and VIP, with OA1 and 2 for ingress, egress considerations. However, it's still a visual bombing mode, which I don't think the OP is discussing.



I listed a few incidences where one could find themselves missing the target using precision waypoints CCRP, for their consideration; not my own. It goes without saying that an attack profile under a multitude of conditions has to be considered to make sure weapons can be put on target. Once that's done, then it's a very very simple matter of BFM to execute the proper delivery.


Of course, but we're discussing no pilot error here from what I gather from Diva's post.



I've seen it. It happened yesterday for me in a mission over Montenegro. Visibility was zero all the way down to the target that was sitting on top of a mountain. I flew a precision CCRP attack using (4) MK-84s with a clear LOS to the target, and they missed; regardless of the proper coordinates being dialed in from the ICP.

but this case, happened in Balkan Theater only I guess, in The Korea Theater, this method (precision CCRP) very very effective. so I'm affraid something wrong with Falcon 0.4 AF version 1.13

No I wasn't talking about those, AFAIK these are used primarily in low alt deliveries (and even there they are used a bit differently than what most ppl do in Falcon). What I described does not use any HUD visual cues.



Yes, and that's why I said that the coords were always accurate for me, and that whether the bombs hit or not is another matter since it also depends on the delivery.

I thought that's what you were saying when you posted this:



At any rate, there seems to be an issue sometimes with the coordinates; at least in the Balkans theater.

Yes that would be the steerpoint diamond. I meant it does not use any visual cues for the attack profile, the diamond is just the aiming point.

Now that I think of it I think I remember another guy had an issue with coords in Balkans though... Maybe searching the forums would help though it was a long long time ago.