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#2607786 - 10/29/08 10:11 PM Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek  
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Hello SimHQ,

After about a year of constant hardware replacement I'm on the cusp of being able to start playing Il-2 again! All I need now are USB rudder pedals - getting the old gameport CH pedals to work with a USB-only PC looks like more hassle than it's worth, considering new pedals are only £80 or so!

Can anyone give any pointers, comparison of CH pro pedals with Saitek pedals? Thanks!


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#2607796 - 10/29/08 10:40 PM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Dozer]  
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I am hapy with CH Pro pedals. They have worked for me for more than 3 years now without a hitch.
I've not tried the other brand so I can't give a comparison.

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#2607835 - 10/30/08 12:02 AM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Flatlander]  
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I wouldn't buy CS simply cos I hate their bloody ads all over the pages here hahaha

I myself got a CS yoke and pedals for $4 and wired them up to go into the Cougar ... about as much brain strain as changing a battery on the bike. One rainy Sunday, get all the info sorted, sit down in front of TV with a soldering iron and a beer at your elbow and plod through it - easy!


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#2607907 - 10/30/08 02:32 AM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Dozer]  
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I have owned the CH pro pedals for almost 4 years. I love 'em. I also own the Thrustmaster Elite pedal (game port), but I rarely use them. I have 4 CH controller devices in use on my PC (Figherstick, Pro-Throttle, Throttle Quadrant and Pro-Pedals) and I do not think you can beat them for quality and longevity right out of the box.

I do not own the Saitek pedals, but I do ownthe Saitek X52 throttle and stick and they are very good. The CH is more durable and more precise. I have also owned a TM Cougar throttle and stick, but did not care to mod it, so I purchased the CH stuff to replace it.

#2607930 - 10/30/08 04:13 AM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Timc]  
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I have a set of Saitek pedals and I love them. I also had a set of CH pedals for a long time. My only gripe with the CH pedals was that they were too narrow, which is why I got a set of wider Saitek pedals.

#2608391 - 10/31/08 12:04 AM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: csevers]  
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Hi dozer,
The only trouble with the CH rudders are that the feet are too close together hence the nick name "NUT CRAKERS" given to them by some users. Here is a link to a small mod to make them wider apart.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3821084134/p/2

mercy

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#2608495 - 10/31/08 04:04 AM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: no mercy]  
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I own both.. The CH pedals are sturdy, have a lock block so that you can use them as racing pedals, and I believe they are cheapr than the Saiteks.. The Saiteks have a wider stance, adjustable foot rests & tension and seem to have a smoother response... I prefer the Saiteks over the CH pedals.


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#2608757 - 10/31/08 04:52 PM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Bearcat99]  
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If only someone did a review that compared them....

http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_104a.html

I prefer the Saiteks.


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#2608781 - 10/31/08 05:48 PM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Dart]  
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I have used the CH rudder pedals along with SaitekX45 controllers for years and find them very satisfactory with IL-2, but when flying FSX or FS9...........they are way too sensitive to the touch. And if someone knows how to lesson this problem, please reply.
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#2608819 - 10/31/08 06:54 PM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: BadBud]  
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Hi Dozer, i have a brand new set of X52 rudder pedals, i dont have the box though, but i got all the important bits, make me a decent offer and they are yours.

#2608876 - 10/31/08 08:48 PM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Tree]  
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Dart, that was the article I was looking for - the one I couldn't remember if it was real or imaginary... Thanks!

Tree in a few minutes check your PM!


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#2609074 - 11/01/08 03:41 AM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Dozer]  
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I have had both. I liked the CH's but the Saiteks just seem more like WWII rudder pedals.

#2609077 - 11/01/08 03:50 AM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Tree]  
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I wrote this back in 2006 after just getting the Saitek Pedals. They are still going strong no issues at all.:

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Having just bought a set of Saitek pedals I thought my initial impressions might be of some intrest. I compare them here with CH Pedals and Thrustmaster Elites with Hall mod.

CONSTRUCTION
Construction. Good quality throughout. There are some "Footrest" bits that go on the trailing edge of the base behind each pedal. Probably a good idea to fit these for added stability. Bottom of the entire unit is totally flat. A grip mat is essential. With a slice of Anti slip mat thrown on the carpet pedals are rock steady.
The pedals are well made as robust as either CH or TM pedals.
Construction .... 8/10

ERGONOMICS
Pedal separation is greater than CH pedals and just a little less than Thrustmaster Elites or RCS. Feels good. Pedal travel is about the same as in CH pedals maybe a shade more. Brake pedal deflection angles are less than CH pedals feels better.
Ergonomics..... 8/10

INSTALTION.
Pretty straight forward but does not give you a choice of folder. Also installs a bunch of unkwown Saitek stuff like "Magic Keyboard, Magic Mouse". I would like more control here.
Instaltion....... 4/10

PEDAL CALIBRATION
Worked okay straight up. Dead zone setup is clever as it allows for a neutral dead zone and dead zones at the extrmities.
Calibration..... 9/10

PEDAL SIZE ADJUSTMENT
Unless you drink Thalidamide regularly or have a club foot there is only one practical setting .. As big as you can get. The adjustment is easy, These pedals are begging for a steel Luftwaffe Pedal insert... seems pretty straight forward to do.

TENSION ADJUSTMENT
Works on a ratchet system. Can easily be operated by using your feet on the ratchet knob. For me there is only one setting Max tension. Personally I would like to be able to tighten it up more than you can. The ratchtet settings allow Micro adjustments but this imo is a complete waste of time. I think all that was really needed was perhaps 3 settings. At the minimum setting the tension is similar to the standard CH slack tension. At the maximum tension setting its about 80% the tension of the standard TM Elite pedal tension. A nice attempt at a neat feature but not quite there.
Tension adjustment ..... 6/10

HARDWARE CONFIG
When installed the pedals will take up a new ID so some dabbling of the HOTAS section of the FB setup is required. Pretty straight forward took about 2 mins. Since they take up a seperate ID you wont see them in the FB stick slider screen. So use the IL2 sticks utility which will pick them up straight away. Its a better tool imo anyway.

Saitek SST PROGRAMMING
For a newbie to SST compared with Cougar and CH programming it is pretty difficult. The Bands logic for the toe brakes beggars belief. The lack of any refrence to the rudder pedals in the SST documention on the CD is inexcuseable.
SST useability for a newbie ...2/10

FB IN GAME
The rudder portion works flawlessly. Control is precise. The increased pedal separation and spring tension makes them clearly superior to the CH pedals.
Accuracy is as good (if not better) than Hall modded TM Elites.
On attempting to set the Toe brakes as Brakes as HOTAS controls in the FB settings screen resulted in brakes being locked on. I guess I will need to do this in the Saitek SST software.
so FB use .... 9/10

OVERALL
So far I am very happy with the product. They are much better than the CH pedals. They work well with CH stick and throttle setup

#2609501 - 11/02/08 03:13 AM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Tree]  
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I'm interested Tree but have no idea what they'd be worth ... what's a decent offer?

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#2609796 - 11/02/08 09:12 PM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Kamikuza]  
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Sorry Kami i have already sold them to Dozer.

#2610435 - 11/04/08 12:06 AM Re: Rudder pedals: CH vs Saitek [Re: Tree]  
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You snooze, you lose hahaha no worries! Stuff like that is impossible to find in Japan - the stuff I got was a lucky score in a 2nd hand shop - and so-ooo many online shops WON'T ship outside their own country frown don't even start me on that one hahaha


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