#2605905 - 10/16/08 10:59 AM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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Thanks for the encouragement Freycinet!
I just looked into the squadron history of French Escadrille 88, which flew out Louons in June-July 1918, and found that this Spad squadron had transferred from the aerodromes at Mouchy-le-Chatel, to Ressons-Ferme du Val Heureaux, to Louons, and from Louons to Mont-l'Eveque. This apparently seems to indicate that Louons may be in the same general area as Ressons-Ferme du Val Heureax, and Mont-l'Eveque, and that the aerodrome Lefty listed as Monchy les Chateau, may instead be Mouchy-le-Chatel.
We should check into the new spelling of Mouchy-le-Chatel, and see if it's located in the general area of these other towns we've found, and whether Louons is in the area too.
I won't have time this morning, as I've got an early morning get-ready, but perhaps someone else can look further into this?
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#2605963 - 10/16/08 12:33 PM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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but perhaps someone else can look further into this? Someone else is there... Good find FlyRetired. Mouchy-le-Chatel is situated 20 Km SouthEast of Beauvais (in the same general area Beauvais/Senlis) Location is: 02°14'58"E / 49°19'35"N and there's a nice flat field just South of the village. I couldn't find any "Louon" in the area... but I found a "Louan" South of it (around 75 Km East of Paris, 25 Km NortWest of Troyes and 100 Km SouthEast of precedent area) It's a much more credible location than Loon, and spelling is closer to "Louon" Louan: 03°28'43"E / 48°37'35"N There's a large flat area SouthEast of the village Now I think first location search batch is completed. lefty...We're ready for another one...
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#2606216 - 10/27/08 03:21 PM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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For anyone interested. Here a file with a description of 30 airfields that may have been in use during WWI (most of them) by either side. This is another small contribution (allready sent to neoqb) to the setting of some of the 200+ airfields that will be on the map.
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#2606425 - 10/27/08 09:36 PM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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While SimHQ was down, Viks asked me to provide the position of some German airfields. I could find most of them, except: - Niederum (I have many "Niederau", all in Alsace, not sure about the right one) - Spultier (in Belgium, somewhere near Wavre... not found) There are also 2 locations I'm not sure about (I found a possibility, but couldn't confirm it) - La Ferte Ferme (probably: Ferme du bois de la Férée (Ardennes, West of Charleville-Mezières, East of Laon) 04°17'22"E / 49°46'14"N) - Paux FQ, Laon (probably: Le Moulin Paux 03°11'24"E / 49°45'12"N; Actual military air base just close 03°12'16"E / 49°45'05"N) perhaps someone else can look further into this? In order to help, below are the map extract for the locations I guessed for La Ferte Ferme (La Férée) and Paux. La Férée: Paux FlyRetired, any idea ?
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#2606442 - 10/27/08 10:24 PM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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funny, on this web page the gothic writing "Pulver" is mistakenly taken for Spultier by the automatic text recognition! http://books.google.be/books?id=R1IsAAAA...l=en&pgis=1Belgium is notoriously complicated regarding names, because many places have both a Flemish and a French name. So, the cities of "Bergen" and "Mons" are one and the same place...
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#2606446 - 10/27/08 10:34 PM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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Rama, Here's the German aerodrome at Niederum (SE of Metz): Checking on the next ones.
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#2606545 - 10/28/08 01:53 AM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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Rama, I think La Ferte Ferme was more than likely near La Ferte Chevresis. There were three advance aerodromes in front of St. Quentin at the beginning of the German March '18 offensive (Operation Michael), and another source puts La Ferte Ferme south of the aerodromes at Monceau Le Neuf and Chevresis (see map inset). Maybe your maps have the area shown as a "Ferme"? Lastly, the retreat of Jasta 2 "Boelcke" in Sept-Oct '18 has it in the area of Valenciennes, France, then to Lens, Belgium. The aerodrome of Spultier is said to have been on the southern outskirts of Valenciennes, not far from the airfield at Saultain. Btw, Valenciennes had been a large Jastaschule and Armee-Flugpark facility for the German air service during the war.
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#2606773 - 10/28/08 01:10 PM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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FlyRetired: For Niederaum, I checked the area, could find the approximative coordinates. The place doesn't exist any more (even the name), but it should be near a village named "Many" 06°31'23"E / 49°00'15"N In any case, the location is a little bit too far east, and isn't on the game map. I think La Ferte Ferme was more than likely near La Ferte Chevresis. There were three advance aerodromes in front of St. Quentin at the beginning of the German March '18 offensive (Operation Michael), and another source puts La Ferte Ferme south of the aerodromes at Monceau Le Neuf and Chevresis (see map inset).
Maybe your maps have the area shown as a "Ferme"?
Your guess seem's better than mine for this location. La Ferte-Chevresis coordinates: 03°33'31"E / 49°44'12"N Just 2.5 km NW of this village, there's a farm, named "Ferme Ferrière" who could be the airfield location (Just S of the farm, there's a big flat field, 500m x 500m) The Farm "Ferrière" coordinates are: 03°31'30"E / 49°45'01"N I placed both locations on a map extract (the village on the right and the farm on the left, along with the possible airfield location). Lastly, the retreat of Jasta 2 "Boelcke" in Sept-Oct '18 has it in the area of Valenciennes, France, then to Lens, Belgium. The aerodrome of Spultier is said to have been on the southern outskirts of Valenciennes, not far from the airfield at Saultain. Btw, Valenciennes had been a large Jastaschule and Armee-Flugpark facility for the German air service during the war. I searched a lot in the vicinity of Wavre (Belgium) and in the southern vicinity of Valenciennes... so far I found nothing. The closest name to "Spultier" South of Valencienne is "Saultain" Following a map extract of the area: And for "Paux FQ"... any hint? what to you think about my guess?
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#2606834 - 10/28/08 02:22 PM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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Rama I am loving your map excerpts. Can I get that map and maps like it of that period please?
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#2606836 - 10/28/08 02:24 PM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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Great work Rama, and we love your maps! On "Paux FE", I have it being used by one Jasta, Jasta 12. However, in looking at the deployments of Jasta 12, Paux FE doesn't appear in the expanded airfield listing, rather there's a "Vaux, near Laon" shown for the unit's first aerodrome assigned to it a few days in Sept-Nov '16. Perhaps Vaux, Laon? The only locations remotely in the area are NE of Laon, N of Rethel, W of Mezieres (that I could find). Rama, does "FE" ever stand for "Foret" in French naming nomenclature by chance?
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#2606935 - 10/28/08 04:26 PM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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Great work Rama, and we love your maps! On "Paux FE", I have it being used by one Jasta, Jasta 12. However, in looking at the deployments of Jasta 12, Paux FE doesn't appear in the expanded airfield listing, rather there's a "Vaux, near Laon" shown for the unit's first aerodrome assigned to it a few days in Sept-Nov '16.
Perhaps Vaux, Laon?
The only locations remotely in the area are NE of Laon, N of Rethel, W of Mezieres (that I could find).
Thank's to you, I got it... Vaux is the right spelling (and my first guess was wrong, but the "Paux" I found was the only one in the area) It's Vaux Laon, and it's not Vaux FQ (or FE) who means nothing in mapping nomenclature, but Vaux Fbg (Fbg means "Faubourg", which is the french name for suburb). North of Laon, there was a small suburb named Laon, which is now in the middle of the city. Coordinates are 03°38'21"E / 49°34'01"N Just North of this subburb, near the railway, there was a large flat field... most probably the place for the searched aifield. Here the map extract: Now it stays only the "Spultier" thing... @Ming: Sorry, but these maps are copyrighted (and quite expensive...), so I can't provide them. I hope this map will be in the future freely accessible through the Geoportail (and it probably will be, in its color version, since it has fully been scanned and georeferenced)... but until it's done, I can't help. You still can display and navigate the Cassini map (Map of France donne during the XVIIIth century) on the Geoportail ( www.geoportail.fr).... just hope the 1900 map will also be available soon.
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#2607183 - 10/29/08 12:24 AM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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Spultier ........ could it be a variation of Ste. Paultier, or Ste. Poulier, or something aliong those lines ?
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#2607198 - 10/29/08 12:48 AM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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Thanks Rama, beautiful engravings/etchings
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#2607305 - 10/29/08 07:10 AM
Re: IPORTANT! Creating a Map for this sim! Need help!
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Thank's to you, I got it... Vaux is the right spelling (and my first guess was wrong, but the "Paux" I found was the only one in the area) It's Vaux Laon, and it's not Vaux FQ (or FE) who means nothing in mapping nomenclature, but Vaux Fbg (Fbg means "Faubourg", which is the french name for suburb). North of Laon, there was a small suburb named Laon, which is now in the middle of the city. Coordinates are 03°38'21"E / 49°34'01"N Just North of this subburb, near the railway, there was a large flat field... most probably the place for the searched aifield. Here the map extract: You mean "North of Laon, there was a small suburb named Vaux", I can see from your map, just to get it clear. Faubourg de Vaux. Great work Rama, love those maps!
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