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#2357623 - 10/14/07 10:07 AM "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals"  
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Just flew Compans No32 campaign. Well done Compans!

Unfortunately...
Shows just how poor the Huricane is modelled and treated by IC. It really hardly flys at all.

Nothing like the accounts from that time? Maybe somebody from IC should guarantee that the Spitfire and Hurricanes aren't in for the same treatment in SOW BOB (or confirm they are!) stop all this wasting time... don't you know !

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#2357629 - 10/14/07 11:18 AM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: No3_Spit]  
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I know on-line flying a 109 I give the Hurricane flyer alot of respect. If I miss it on my first pass I just keep going as you don't want to turn fight it. You could stick around and B&Z but I just come back later when hes not looking. ;\)


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#2357667 - 10/14/07 01:43 PM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Chivas]  
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That's a great insight Chivas! \:D

Perhaps the FB Hurricane is based on the Russian or Finnish aircraft, not the RAF. I find the fragile prop-pitch control very frustrating, always being hit and going to max RPM...


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#2357853 - 10/14/07 07:21 PM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Dozer]  
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Hey, now, the Hurricane IIb is my preferred plane both off and online.

She does everything well, even if she doesn't do a lot spectactularly.

The secret to the Hurricane is to fly through maneuvers and let the aircraft do what it does rather than trying to force it. Rather like riding a horse in that regard.

Every single thing that Wing Commander Elkington (BoB, Murmansk, Continent, etc. veteran) has pointed out on the Hurricane from his experience is in the simulation. Check out the forums on http://www.2gvsap.org under the 151 Wing section.


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#2357996 - 10/15/07 01:13 AM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Dart]  
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Cheers Spit!

I have little complaint with the Hurri. My main gripe is that the engine dies when the carb is starved rather than spluttering for a few moments. I've never heard of the engine cutting completely.
The campaign was designed around teamwork, and the odds are in the RAF pilot's favour in most missions.
To me the Hurricane was slow yet a very superior gun platform and easy to fly. It's certainly not modelled perfectly (what ever is?) but it does have a nice punchy character.

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#2358022 - 10/15/07 02:40 AM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Compans]  
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Watch the opening to the BoB movie again...that Hurricane cuts out completely on the "victory" roll over France.


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#2358105 - 10/15/07 09:06 AM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Dart]  
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Yes.. but he didn't have to re-start the thing... it would only cut out momentarily and then resume.. it was the same with the early Spits. But that aside, I love to fly the old Hurri in the sim.. it's one of my favourites.

#2358122 - 10/15/07 10:03 AM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Trooper117]  
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Trooper117 is correct, with a real piston engined aircraft the engine stops when the fuel flow stops, but once fuel flow is re-established, the engine usually fires up on its own.


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#2358550 - 10/16/07 03:09 AM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: stans]  
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Hmmm, I've choked out the I-16, but never the Mk. I Hurricane. All it does is sputter for me in a really slow barrel roll. I'm not a big fan on negative G manuevers, though, so at the first cough I stop that sort of silliness and roll into the dive.


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#2366559 - 10/30/07 04:26 PM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Dart]  
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I've killed the engine several times when pushing hard down on the stick. This is accurate in terms of when the engine'd cut but it should be a brief pause. It often takes a minute or so to restart the thing. German pilots famously used a 'bunt' to escape from early-merlin engined fighters because of the few extra seconds of power they'd have.


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#2383391 - 11/21/07 03:34 AM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Compans]  
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Like in the movie "The Battle of Britain" Watch when he does that victory role in that Hurricane. BRRRRRRRRRR pupupupupup BRRRRRRRRRRR

#2385035 - 11/23/07 12:27 PM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Hackl]  
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Well Canalkampf BoB Campaign is a good one too!.... well done and love the ground objects.

In this game the Huricane handles poorly IMO - not what is says on the(historical)packet at all!

Could it be that R.R.Stanford Tuck, Ginger Lacey, Pete Brothers, Roland Beaumont upteen other pilots all told fibs about this aircraft.

Engine cutout I achieve also- and yet I've seen it described historically as loss of power or fuel stravation.In any case the problem was fixed quickly by the pilots and the manufacturer.

Before I buy SoW - what will I get in the Spitfire Ia and Hurricane I?


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#2385079 - 11/23/07 02:42 PM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: No3_Spit]  
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 Originally Posted By: No3_Spit
Shows just how poor the Huricane is modelled and treated by IC. It really hardly flys at all. Nothing like the accounts from that time?

One problem with the Hurri and Spit in Il2 is that people fly them below their best altitudes. Combat in Il2, especially online, is much more similar to the eastern than western front.

Altitude is also one of the reasons why Russian aircraft overperform in the game. This is what Finnish ace Hans Wind said about the Hurricane in 1943:

The easiest one to shoot down of the enemy fighters is the Hurricane. It is totally helpless against us below 3000 meters. It is slow and very clumsy and unmanoeuvrable. Whenever you meet a Hurricane, engage it in a turn-fight, where it is totally at our mercy.

Wind was flying Brewsters at the time. Obviously his views on tactics are not the same as those of a Luftwaffe pilot facing a Hurricane at 5000 m in 1940.

 Originally Posted By: No3_Spit
Maybe somebody from IC should guarantee that the Spitfire and Hurricanes aren't in for the same treatment in SOW BOB (or confirm they are!) stop all this wasting time... don't you know!

I think we can be confident that all aircraft in BoB will be modelled to a higher standard than in Il2. We're talking 10-20 aircraft compared to 100 (?) or so.


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#2385328 - 11/24/07 12:48 AM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Guderian]  
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But remember, originally Il-2 only featured the Il-2 as flyable - and then a handful of varients of Il-2, then a few Bf109s of various types, and then, and then... it certainly wasn't planned for hundreds of aircraft!

(I'm talking about the lore and rumours about Il-2's pre-beta past, by the way - of course it was released with a total of about thirty flyable aircraft varients.)

I agree we can be confident of a higher standard - but it's because the devs have seven or eight years of Il-2 modelling under their belts as practice! \:D


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#2385794 - 11/24/07 09:25 PM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Dozer]  
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"modelling under their belts"
Some new perversion?
Some old perversion?

#2385899 - 11/25/07 12:23 AM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: orkan]  
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argh



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#2391811 - 12/02/07 08:34 AM Re: "I'd of thought that would be lost on the Locals" [Re: Dozer]  
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Yes well not to hijack the orginal sentiment on Compans great sequel..

Points taken Guderian just that this version will be the same in the future SoW-BOB.


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