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#2115107 - 01/16/07 12:31 PM RAF airfields  
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I've been looking at some of the new images and whilst many look very good, I hope this one is a beta as I was expecting better represented airfield structures than this:



This is no RAF hangar type I've seen and looks more like something from stock cfs3 ie. awful.

Anyone have any other screenies of the RAF airfields?

Cheers,

Pat

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#2115351 - 01/16/07 04:16 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Pat_Pattle]  
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Hi Pat, take a look at the "Lots of new pics" thread. Airfields are not mentioned there explicitly but I guess this quote from Oleg gives a good idea of the stage the game was when the shots were taken:

Originally Posted By: HenFre
This was posted by Oleg Maddox in the Il-2 forum on this site and in Mysticpuma's movie thread:

Hi Guys!!!

I need to prevent any "bad" speeches about how is and what is BoB:

1. The pics from Bonus video tell you about our work several months ago. And there is in BoB video intro SPECIAL NOTICE that all videos, screens, etc are based on Pre-Alpha version!
2. The map there is a test map that we'll probably will use as one of special fast loading online maps.
3. The big cities there are not present on this map, just small. And trust me position and location of buildings will be right. Curently on this map as it is test map it is done using just one place from sattelite map and distributed all around the map with the various of sizes. There is completely new technology for the map textures which some of you will use in future to make own maps...
4. Chirches are not present at the moment but we will have them.
5. Cliffs - it is a sample of technology. The altitudes of the cliffs are not limited and are taken from sattelite map. on the working currnely real map of England there are huge cliffs with altitudes over 100 meters (I saw the point of 147 meters height on the map that making my guys.
And they are not vertical (not really 90 degrees. Just some time close to 90). Real has some angle - inclined surface. It is done like it is on real satellite maps
6. Textures are not final for everything there.
7. Great various of trees and forests will be present only in final beta.
8. There are not present yet selfshading and most importnat cross shades. It will be in beta only

Conclusion.
I recommend to look for the first screens of Il-2 (that all liked very much ) and then try to compare with release screens (that was done so much better) Here is the same thing.

The pre-alpha is just to show how is going development in our "house"
Trust me what you watch now in this BONUS video is sooooooo better than you saw anywhere in any flight sim before or currently
And trust me we put so much in 3D engine that it will be in use step by step in time and in new versions-upgrades for a very long life. Probably longer than in Il-2 engine that still looks modern and more realistic from most points of view than from current competitors.

When you'll this bonus DVD just look for the other details there... ground modeling, cockpits (there are present video of 11 already ready cockpits of flyable aircraft in so great detail and precise that you probably even didn't see in the best third party add-ons for MS FS...!)


Hope this answers some of your questions...

Regards

Henrik


I guess we will be very positively surprised.


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#2115478 - 01/16/07 05:45 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Tbag]  
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I have send Ian Boys plans for all british hangar types. Shouldn't be to long till we see correct structures ;\)

#2115958 - 01/17/07 07:11 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Zorin]  
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Charts.

If we are going to engage in a serious hangar debate, let's see some charts.

;\)

Part of me wants this sim as soon as possible, while at the same time I want them to wait until it's exactly as it should be.


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#2116128 - 01/17/07 09:56 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Dart]  
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http://www.78thfightergroup.com/history/goxhillhangars.jpg

I'd want to see the flying bit done properly rather than hangars with the right coloured toilet doors, etc. There are plenty of outside braced hangars in the UK, possibly not at former BoB bases but still fairly ballpark for the timeline. The meat of the game will be the combat, lets hope the boy's capture the atmosphere and get the sound of a merlin engine right.:)

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#2116783 - 01/18/07 04:53 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: HarryR]  
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I'd be more disconcerted by seeing an LNER A4 hauling Pullman coaches into Portsmouth, to be honest, than the outside-braced hangar...


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#2116844 - 01/18/07 06:11 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Dozer]  
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Originally Posted By: Philips CD-RW
I'd be more disconcerted by seeing an LNER A4 hauling Pullman coaches into Portsmouth, to be honest, than the outside-braced hangar...


Well, 1C had to discard all british rail stuff they had because a german model builder raised the bar so high that those lousy models weren't sufficient anymore. For having the A4 you should be rather thankful cause that was the only british engine he was willing to do, for one simple reason: British engines are rather unpleasing to the eye ;\) And in game the DR01 will be faster than the A4 :p


So better find a british model builder who can build the same quaility and you might get engines that fit the scenario.

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#2116874 - 01/18/07 06:44 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Zorin]  
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#2116937 - 01/18/07 08:21 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Dart]  
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#2117369 - 01/19/07 09:40 AM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Baco]  
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outside-braced

Buttressed yes. The non-flyable kind presumably

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#2117403 - 01/19/07 11:11 AM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Ming_EAF19]  
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Sorry, but... how ridiculous, Pat_Pattle!

This is not beta, this is even pre-alpha.


IIRC Foo.bar is also working on other trains and groundstuff. And he did some awesome work, so far.

#2117773 - 01/19/07 07:19 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Ming_EAF19]  
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Couldn't care less about flippin trains.. this is supposed to be a WWII flight sim. The level of detail on locomotives and rolling stock is so, so low down on the 'I wish' priority list, it rates zilch!
Realistic ground detail is secondary to aircraft performance and realism.... only my humble opinion of course!

#2118015 - 01/19/07 11:40 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Trooper117]  
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Fighters make movies.

Bombers make history.


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#2118680 - 01/20/07 10:21 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Dart]  
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Nice, France
... excepted for BoB... in the English side of course ;\)

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#2118802 - 01/21/07 01:01 AM Re: RAF airfields [Re: C6_Krasno]  
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If I think about it - wait a minute - yea, guess you're right C6!


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#2120653 - 01/23/07 07:23 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Tbag]  
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If somebody is interested in RAF control towers, here you go:

http://www.controltowers.co.uk/Dlist.htm


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#2120706 - 01/23/07 08:26 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Tbag]  
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Thanks Tbag....

Very interesting site


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#2121011 - 01/24/07 03:32 AM Re: RAF airfields [Re: C6_Krasno]  
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Originally Posted By: C6_Krasno
... excepted for BoB... in the English side of course ;\)


Which we can in some small measure thank the shortsightedness and hubris of the Germans.

While I am grateful in the extreme that the Hun shifted target priority from aerodromes to towns and cities; had they maintained the ground attack pressure in attacking the fighter bases.....too terrible to even contemplate.


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#2121595 - 01/24/07 11:25 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Dart]  
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Shifting the target priority was one issue, having no strategical bomber was the other. All vital war industry could have been (was?) moved out of the Luftwaffes range. The German military thought of the Luftwaffe primarily as a means to support the front line. In addition they didn't like to think defensive at all. IIRC a fighter aircraft was considered a defensive weapon by them (Galland told that in his book, I think).


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#2121610 - 01/24/07 11:47 PM Re: RAF airfields [Re: Tbag]  
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Had the Germans established Air Superiority over the Channel and Southern England, Sealion could have been green lighted....which means German ground forces and the stationing of fighters on the British Isle.

As I said, too horrible to want to contemplate.

Control the air and one controls the sea. Control the sea and one can start to control the land.

Hey, it worked for the Brits and Ami's in 1944....


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