#1768394 - 03/29/06 09:14 PM
Re: On line flights
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Further info for anyone unfortunate enough to be trying this with a dialup line...
1: A "56k" modem is _not_ 56 in both directions - it's download only. Upload best case is 33 (or 28, depending on the modem).
2: Getting a full 56 connection isn't exactly a given. So while your "theoretical" best case might be 33 up / 56 down, in the real world you're probably really seeing less than 26 up / 33 down most of the time, occasionally hitting 56 down if the data type allows sufficient compression.
Thus, a dialup connection, on anything but its best day, cannot keep up with _just falcon_...let alone putting teamspeak into the mix.
Once you wrap your brain around that, you must remember that the above failings are even more damaging in Falcon than any other game. Whether you're running with a "dedicated" server or not, Falcon is always a peer to peer network. Other people's Falcons will be sitting and waiting for the data that a modem is pumping up at 26kbit or worse...and as C3PO has said, Falcon balances to the lowest common denominator which means 1 dialup (or bad data rate setting in Falcon's connection screen) screws up the game for everybody, not just the dialup user.
Edit: Forgot one more point - Even assuming a perfect connection of 56 up and 33 down...you'll never get both at once. The modems technology has a "max throughput" of about 63kbit...which means that if you HAVE a 56kbit connection, and you're actually downloading at 56kbit...you have all of 7kbit left for upload.
Modems may appear to work for Falcon...briefly.
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#1768395 - 03/30/06 03:13 PM
Re: On line flights
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Originally posted by Teej: [QB]
The default speed (33 / 33) will absolutely KILL a game.
This pretty much puts dialup out of the question. Teej THANKS A LOT, now I understand a bit more.., but (there is always a BUT): How could it be, that in previous patches the connection works PERFECT..!? I was flying so close to my leader..! so close, that we don't experience a bit of lag. In F4 + Spx or F4 + BMS we flew better than this AF + 1.0.5 and.. I hope, they fix this problem..., that they really improve the MP for AF.. if don't.. in this point would be a step-back (specially for me that connect via Dialup) Thanks a lot. Cruz Falcon Wing ECV-56 (VFS)
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#1768396 - 03/30/06 03:26 PM
Re: On line flights
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I'm on DSL, but can only manage about around 128 down, around 200-300 up during "moderate" hours --- this drops to 88 down, 150-200 up during "peak" hours --- but I can manage around 300-380 down, 300-350 up during "off-peak" hours here... fortunately, "off-peak" hours here is around the time others in the USA fly.
My question is - do I have to constantly maintain 256down/128up while in flight, or is it enough that my internet connection is "capable" of that speed?
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#1768397 - 03/30/06 04:51 PM
Re: On line flights
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Cruz:
Everything's a tradeoff.
First...When were you flying SPx and BMS in hamachi? Hamachi is new. Not to say that you can't fly the old versions now, but you talked about "before"...implying past....
Second: Hamachi adds overhead in the form of longer ping times and larger packets (decreasing your available bandwidth) because of the way the data gets encapsulated in the VPN wrapper that hamachi provides. None of the individual effects are large, but hamachi does use some memory to run in, processor to handle the encryption, increased packet size to provide the VPN routing info, etc. It adds up.
Third: Were ALL the same people you are having connection issues with now flying when everything was "so great"? One bad apple of a connection kills everyone.
Fourth: Many of the LP guys were "SPx" devs. Not all. There are many things that either LP either had to legally, or wanted to, redo so in a sense there was a "backstep" taken from some of the things that had been done in SP / BMS.
The most critical point though...if _anyone_ has a connection that is less than optimal, it will drag everyone else down. If ANY of the players have filesharing going, a wife/girlfriend/parent surfing the web, misconfigured firewall/antivirus etc that will all have a severe effect on your gameplay.
One thing that LP did that may have made it worse for modems was the QOS type management they added. Seems to increase the bandwidth baseline a bit. I see an average combined (in + out) around 80kbit most of the time.
# ecie: Hard to say, really. As I said above, you're still above the average traffic I've seen...but I'm honestly not sure what kind of peaks occur..
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#1768399 - 03/30/06 05:20 PM
Re: On line flights
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Originally posted by Teej:
First...When were you flying SPx and BMS in hamachi? Hamachi is new. Not to say that you can't fly the old versions now, but you talked about "before"...implying past....
Teej Teej, may be I don't explain it properly, what I want to say is that, when we flew Falcon (not AF) in Spx or BMS was in direct connection Pc to PC, without hamachi.. Thanks a lot again.. I had more clear the online game in Falcon AF..! Cheers Cruz Falcon Wing ECV-56 (VFS)
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#1768400 - 03/30/06 06:10 PM
Re: On line flights
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Originally posted by Rebel50: Teej, when you say 128/256 do you mean actual or theoretical up/down load speeds - my actual connection checks out at about 80 up & 440 down. Never set Falcon's speeds higher than you're _actually_ capable of handling. If you've got 80kbps real world and you set Falcon to 128 it will work fine at the menus and such. However, once you're in the jet and start having a lot of data to transmit, Falcon will write checks your ISP can't cash, packets will be dropped and the result is warps, repeating voices, etc. I'm not about to make you any promises, but I wouldn't be surprised if you had a positive experience setting 56 / 256. Unlike a "56k" modem, you actually CAN achieve 56kbit up, even accounting for teamspeak. A 56k modem would most likely get ~ 45kbit down and 20kbit up. It's worth a shot...
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by Britisheh. 03/28/24 08:05 PM
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