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#1533656 - 07/15/06 06:18 PM Re: Updates  
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Pablo Diez: it's A-4Q, although at the moment I got only this pic as reference , it's an A-4Q cockpit photo (Malvinas time, remember that A-4Q were also A-4Bs sold for the CANA) from Aerospacio Magazine issue 567, it's small but I'm sure it matches A-4B group E cockpit layout in A-4B Flight Manual, but don't worry, Ariel Cancio in Argentina already ordered this past issue of this magazine and so we can scan and check the cockpit photo in detail. Although I don't see the VLF Omega controls in that small picture, maybe it was removed for the photo, I think that it was installed in the bottom right of the cockpit replacing that standard compass gauge, like you can check in the A-4B for display in Buenos Aires museum - if this is the case, it's easy to visually add this equipment as Cazador from ECV56Condor sent me great photos of A-4B, although I'd need extra research to model its operation because there is nothing about VLF Omega in the standard A-4B flight manuals I got (US).
This guy also has an VLF OMEGA station for sell here which matchs exactly the looks of the station photographed in the A-4B Skyhawk in Buenos Aires Museum. By the way, was the FAA A-4B Skyhawk supposed to have this equipment as well ?


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#1533657 - 07/17/06 12:25 AM Re: Updates  
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We can acce some recordings from the war if you care for them.
Excellente, Baco. \:\) The argentinean chatter will be spoken in spanish, of course, with options for subtitles (in either spanish or english).

If you post some records of any IL-2, Lomac of F4 lan meeting of ECV56 Condor , which I'm sure you can get somehoe \:\) we can have a clue of how the chatter jargon will sound like in Malvinas campaign.


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#1533658 - 07/17/06 06:03 AM Re: Updates  
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Originally posted by IvanK:
It will be interesting to see the Nav skills especially if the jetstreams frequent Jet Thunder, getting home against a 100knot + wind should be fun
G'day Ivan

Would it of been possible to fly below the jetstream at all?

HMP

#1533659 - 07/17/06 10:49 PM Re: Updates  
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Greetings Big Ben \:\) Indeed I believe it would and would have been part of the mission flight planning. In most cases using the Wind going to the target and staying out of the Jet on the way home. the jet being primarily West to East at these lattitudes.

There are a couple of issues however. Full of fuel and bombs thrust limits for Mirage/Dagger/A4 would limit outbound flights to a maximum of around 25,000feet so perhaps a little low for the jet core though some advantage would be gained. The Canberras on the other hand would most likely be able to take full advantage of the Jet on the outbound leg.

On the way home it would be a trade off (break even) go higher for the lower Fuel Flow or lower for a better Ground Speed but at higher Fuel Flow. The aim being to be at the best altitude for best Fuel burn per ground distance.

#1533660 - 07/20/06 10:38 AM Re: Updates  
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Hey Dante and IvanK,

If you have any cool voice over stuff, send me a copy as well for it might be possible to use it in music or sounddesign stuff.

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#1533661 - 07/20/06 03:45 PM Re: Updates  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dante-JT:
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If you post some records of any IL-2, Lomac of F4 lan meeting of ECV56 Condor , which I'm sure you can get somehoe \:\) we can have a clue of how the chatter jargon will sound like in Malvinas campaign.
Of course I can record some MP sesions with the ECV-56, but that would hardlly resemble the Chatte of argentinian forces during the conflict. In a sim we are all home cozy and warm, sure that if we "die" we can watch some TV while another mission beggins.

The recordings I have heard from real fligths in 82 are full of adrenaline, exicetmenmt and restarin frustration, that explodes when the target is hit.

If you listen to a MP recording from Falcon 4.0 and the real thing form several recordings around the Net, youll see a lot of difference.

It is may opinnion that chatter in Flight sims is too bland, to artificial, almost like robots flying missions. The onlly one that comes close to real chatter is IL-2 with desperate yells, and stuff, at first quite hilarious, but its closer to the real thing to me.

Ihave a large chunk of audio at home. Ill put it up today, so you can get an idea of what Im talking about.

Anyway, Ill get to work with the people of ECV-56, and report back here with what weve got.


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#1533662 - 07/20/06 04:48 PM Re: Updates  
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While I agree that instant chatter in a flight-sim has its limitations, I have to confess that one of the most annoying details of IL2 for is the chatter, which I consider robot-like and which kills the immersion right after take-off for me.
Combat chatter and ATC is in general one of the most important elements of immersion in a flight sim, IMHO.
For example, I really like the CP/G in Apache Longbow, though I have to admit after a time you recognize him as a robot. Other examples of relatively good chatter:
BOB
F4
MigAlley
The ATC of Jane's F/A 18 is quite good as well, I really like hanging around in a marshal and beeing stacked somewhere.
With some more diversion, those could become really good. I don't think it would put a load on processor or RAM if you have instead of let's say 15 combat chat elements 150 to choose from, am I right ? The problem will be the recording expenses and paying the actors.

Just my two cents.

#1533663 - 07/20/06 05:02 PM Re: Updates  
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I Must agree, and yes Inmersion is a very personal feeling, and what is grate for one my be a killer for the other.

It will be a while till I get home, but here is a little example of "Condors" Chatter in MP sesions, along a grate video by Santiago "Hooker" Cortelezzi.

http://www.ecv56condor.com.ar/modules/NS-Alas/lomac/videos/modecv56.zip


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#1533664 - 07/21/06 07:26 AM Re: Updates  
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Baco, that's an awesome video! The very distinct argentine accent is there and is a must-have in all JT chatter while flying for Argentina.

As DocW mentionated JF18 chatter, I must say that Jane's F-15 as well got a nice "all hell broke loose" chatter sometimes, with multiple wingmen calls overlapping with calls from the woman in the AWACs and warning sounds all over the place, check this video:
http://www.thunder-works.com/janesF15engaged_defensive.zip

This is somehow I think the flights of Skyhawks or Dagger would act in JT when jumped by enemy CAP, jettisoning all stores and breaking away while desperate calls are heard all over the place from wingmen, GCI Puerto Argentino Director and such. Of course in Spanish with the distinctive argentine accent. ;\)


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#1533665 - 07/21/06 11:20 AM Re: Updates  
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Originally posted by Dante-JT:
, check this video:
http://www.thunder-works.com/janesF15engaged_defensive.zip

thunderworks seems to be unreachable at the moment.

#1533666 - 07/21/06 03:33 PM Re: Updates  
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Originally posted by ]DocW[:
thunderworks seems to be unreachable at the moment.
Can't access either \:\(

#1533667 - 07/21/06 07:41 PM Re: Updates  
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Indeed, seems it is offline for no apparent reason. Hopefully it'll be back in the next hours.

In the meanwhile, I've uploaded my rare JF15 video to rapidshare:
http://rapidshare.de/files/26550577/janesF15engaged_defensive.zip.html

Chatter is a bit 'robot' in some places as well, but it surely gives the mood and excitment of an engagement.

Edit: Yup seems thunderworks is back now \:\)


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#1533668 - 07/22/06 03:19 AM Re: Updates  
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Originally posted by Dante-JT:
check this video:
http://www.thunder-works.com/janesF15engaged_defensive.zip
yup, got it. Pretty cool. Very intense.

#1533669 - 07/24/06 03:25 PM Re: Updates  
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Well, if you ask me, that sounds pretty convincing. You should listen to the Spanish version of Janes F-15. Not even C3PO (the real one, not the member of this site \:D ) comes close to that robotic speech :rolleyes:

#1533670 - 08/05/06 06:04 PM Re: Updates  
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In our sims radio chatter doesn't really sounds like radio, sound is too "clean".

#1533671 - 08/20/06 04:58 AM Re: Updates  
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Working in conventional carrier operations in 25 de Mayo carrier:

Landing, hook down, AoA and approach speed A-4Q are right (~120knots)





touchdown, got first deck cable:


stopping


taxying for CAT SHOT


cat shot




cat shot almost ending in disaster due to lack of carrier speed resulting in this dangerous close call with plane heavy:



Still a lot to do (calibrating cables/arresting system, catapult power, wheel brakes effectivity, etc etc) but soon I will provide a video of carrier operations in 25 de Mayo carrier.


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#1533672 - 08/20/06 05:12 AM Re: Updates  
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#1533673 - 08/20/06 09:30 AM Re: Updates  
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more, more, more !
Da capo !!
(standing ovations here).
Does the A4 do a drop after leaving the deck ?
Looks excellent !

#1533674 - 08/21/06 01:34 PM Re: Updates  
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#1533675 - 08/21/06 03:36 PM Re: Updates  
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It Shouldnt, or onlly a slight drop, But the lack of speed on the carrier and power on the catapults is very, very realistic ;\) That is the reason the attack on the UK flee was aborted. No wind to launch the Scooters with a full combat load...
(in a place ussually too much wind hinders Naval aviation operations.. go figure.)

Dante, That is a sight to see..
A4-Q on the 25 de Mayo in a sim!
Not in my wildest dreams I had imagine such a thing. Thank you is an understatement ;\)


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