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#1533636 - 07/13/06 05:01 AM Re: Updates  
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That is beautiful. \:\)

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#1533637 - 07/13/06 06:47 AM Re: Updates  
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awesome, Dante, great !
What kind of cockpits do you work on ? Are they clickable (not that I am fond of these, just curious) ?
Will navigation work (like ADF stations or a VOR/TACAN approach) ?

The cockpit is really, really awesome.

Thank you.

#1533638 - 07/13/06 12:12 PM Re: Updates  
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Really beautiful pit thanks for the update.

Where are you on the Mirage III one?

#1533639 - 07/13/06 04:09 PM Re: Updates  
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Analog gauges! Sweet! I'm not too familiar with the Argentine war, but if there were night operations, be sure to make the night plenty dark. Flying at night with no NVGs in an older aircraft, conducting combat operations with flares and 'paper' maps would be a real challenge. Great work!


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#1533640 - 07/13/06 04:23 PM Re: Updates  
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Wow Dante, she's a real looker!


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#1533641 - 07/13/06 04:36 PM Re: Updates  
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What kind of cockpits do you work on ? Are they clickable (not that I am fond of these, just curious) ?
Will navigation work (like ADF stations or a VOR/TACAN approach) ?
_DocW_: Not sure about clickable cockpits, but my design plan is to keep the player busy while at full realism settings during the long flight from Rio Gallegos to the islands, this means the player will not be just staring at the screen with Max Time Compression set to take the commands only over the islands/near target, just like the real life missions, he will have a high cockpit workload, for example, at briefing he'll receive the radio frequencies for Rio Gallegos tower for take off and landing procedures, ILS/Approach channel, the Tanker (FAA KC-130) on route, the Malvinas GCI (Puerto Argentino radar station who will keep him informed about Shar CAPs), in the Skyhawk's right console panel there's a dial and a frequency display, selecting the frequency he'll tune his radio to a comms channel with the respective UHF chatter freq, he can order 'radio silence' as well, similarly the british pilot can tune his radio to the Director at the HMS Exeter waship for example, or switch to another vessel for GCI if he lost contact with Exeter, and so on.

It must feels very dynamic, not only the multiple chatter frequencies, but system failures could lead to decisions to abort etc. Navigation should have a range of fixed stations as you mention, with the TACAN giving distance measurement to to tuned station (the gauge in bottom left shows the distance to station), etc

vince-16: I think I have to do another trip down to argentina to collect more cockpit photos for the Mirage. \:\)

chronoPilot: yup, night will be pretty dark so keep your eyes in the instruments to stay level and on course. ;\)


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#1533642 - 07/13/06 05:04 PM Re: Updates  
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It must feels very dynamic, not only the multiple chatter frequencies, but system failures could lead to decisions to abort etc. Navigation should have a range of fixed stations as you mention, with the TACAN giving distance measurement to to tuned station (the gauge in bottom left shows the distance to station), etc
ATC Chatter and real navigation ?
This is all I can ask for. Go ahead and finish it ;\) , looks like you worked up a wish-list from me \:D

Great !

#1533643 - 07/13/06 05:20 PM Re: Updates  
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impressive indeed! I think I will love my radio in this sim \:\) .

#1533644 - 07/13/06 07:52 PM Re: Updates  
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It must feels very dynamic, not only the multiple chatter frequencies, but system failures could lead to decisions to abort etc. Navigation should have a range of fixed stations as you mention, with the TACAN giving distance measurement to to tuned station (the gauge in bottom left shows the distance to station), etc
Will you be able to recruit some of your Argentine contacts to record the dialog?

#1533645 - 07/13/06 10:34 PM Re: Updates  
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Will you be able to recruit some of your Argentine contacts to record the dialog?
Hopefully. \:\) I need also to get some argentinean help to get the jargon right, the current chatter freq words and commands that I've outlined in the design document are all towards british jargon, need some FAA help to get the argie jargon as well.


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#1533646 - 07/14/06 02:52 AM Re: Updates  
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That cockpit is beautiful! I love the A4!

Just open a payPal account and I'll send the money now. Can't wait for you guys to finish this one!

#1533647 - 07/14/06 02:56 AM Re: Updates  
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Dante,
Just terrific.

I think you can tell, we're all drooling out here!


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#1533648 - 07/14/06 12:28 PM Re: Updates  
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As far as I remember, the only Argentine planes that operated at night where the Canberras and the transports (mostly C-130).
Most of the attack flights made their return in the first hours of dawn, so it shouldnt be too dark, even though in those latitudes get dark early at winter; but, I may be wrong.

#1533649 - 07/14/06 03:36 PM Re: Updates  
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Pablo, A-4s and Mirages/Dagers did take off and land during the night. Oviouslly the Actual attack was carried out with daylight. But the distnace is so huge that they ussually took off before dawn Or got back after dusk, from the late afternoon missions.

Anyway, you will need good navigation skills if realisticly done, since no matter what tim it is, over the south atlantic, theres not many references to aid in navigation, so Time , speed and course tracking is a must. And if tehres wind, we are going to have our hands full just to get to the islands jejeje.

Dante you know we can get lots of candidates for the Argie chatter in the ECV-56 It would be a n honnor for us. And regarding the Jagon, well, It was quite coloquial, Not so strict an rigid as NATO or British comms. We can acce some recordings from the war if you care for them.

An actual acount:
(lousy translation)

"Aproching Malvinas, I contected CIC and they told me to follow the starit , the target was 130 reciproical...
I asked: Reciprocal?
The aswer was: Strait ahead, Pibe... Strait ahead" (derecho pibe, derecho...)
(pibe = kid)

This recolection is form my memory, Ill look up the book and popst it literally ;\) .

SO there was little Brevety Code involved.

The Navy (COAN-ARA) did use much more Brevety codes and was mostlly NATOS standard.


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#1533650 - 07/14/06 05:09 PM Re: Updates  
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I know, Juan, that they took off or landed in the dark, but I was refering to the mission per se.
Strictly, only the Canberras atacked at night.

#1533651 - 07/14/06 05:13 PM Re: Updates  
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Dante, it is not clear for me, is that an A-4B or Q cockpit?
If it is a Q, one fellow member of the ECV 56 tells me that is lacking the VLF Omenga that the pilots used to orient themselves when flying over the sea.

#1533652 - 07/14/06 06:42 PM Re: Updates  
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About the external stores, I would really like to have the possibility of an external view, after having jettisoned the bombs, showing these bombs flying to the target, at first from near et progressively with a wider point of view (close-view and then progressively a more panoramic view from behind)
CHDT: Sounds good, I understand that flight simmers want to watch the action from all possible angles and positions, I'm a flight simmer too and I spend a lot of time watching recorded tracks in IL-2. If you play JT right now, you'll find it's view system too restricted: only a cockpit mouse-pan camera and a external chase camera, with an experimental fly-by camera with a couple of problems - hopefully we'd be revamping the whole view system to the standards of other flight sims around, including weapon view cameras and player-to-target cameras, things we seriously lack at the moment.
This sounds a lot like the Jane's F-18 "destructo-cam" (perhaps the only arcadish term in the entire sim). When enabled in the game options, the descructo cam code informed the pilot when something cool was going to happen, and displayed a message at the bottom of the screen
PRESS 'V' FOR DESCTRUCTO-CAM

This let the pilot take a look if he or she so chose, but allowed remaining in the cockpit as well. If the destructo-cam option was disabled, then the message never appeared in flight.

Perhaps you might like to consider something similar for Jet Thunder.

#1533653 - 07/14/06 10:25 PM Re: Updates  
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It will be interesting to see the Nav skills especially if the jetstreams frequent Jet Thunder, getting home against a 100knot + wind should be fun

#1533654 - 07/15/06 09:27 AM Re: Updates  
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This sim is looking better and better.

But, for the love of all that you hold dear, do not hobble this sim with the omission of a flight recorder option as is available in IL-2 and LockOn.

An example of this inadequacy can be seen in Strike Fighters; All that good looking terrain, skins, and aircraft detail wasted.


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#1533655 - 07/15/06 12:37 PM Re: Updates  
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But, for the love of all that you hold dear, do not hobble this sim with the omission of a flight recorder option as is available in IL-2 and LockOn.
loud applause here ...

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