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#1391731 - 07/09/04 08:14 AM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  

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I sent one in Feb. Never heard back. Kinda had a feeling this Aspect thing was a hoax. Hope not.

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#1391732 - 07/09/04 10:01 AM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Well, if are in the mood for some despair and panic mongering...

Anyone remember a few years back when a game designer with a big ego and bigger mouth got millions from investors with sweet promises of The Game to break the bank.

He and the gang lived in luxury and excess in their penthouse studio, spoiling themselves while delivering hints and "early" screenies of just how great 'The Game' would eventually be.

But all good thigs must come to an end.

Eventually, after millions of investor money had disappeared into thin air the 'guru' and his entourage seemingly came to realise that they very well might face fraud charges unless they actually did deliver a tangible game.

So they presented us (X), one the most famous turkeys in gaming history.

PS. Actual names withold for apparent reasons...

...or to be on the sure side I could add...

All charactes and events on this story are fictional and... \:D

Seriously, does anyone remember how this board came to be?

Because KOE board seems so pointless. What could we possibly do here when all we have is some screenshots that may or may not come from actual game-engine instead of Photoshop and vague, to say the least, info that there is this flight-sim that features some WWI planes and ground objects, a campaing of some kind and maybe multiplay of some sort, too?

It is obvious the Aspect is not the slightest bit interested in feedback - Oleg can be a stubborn mule at times, but if a Russian with a language barrier finds time to discuss his project with the admittedly harsh flight-sim audience, the deafening silence fron Aspect makes Microsoft look the paragon of consumer service.


-It's the campaign engine, silly!-
#1391733 - 07/09/04 11:18 AM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Well the WWI mod for Targetware is coming along:

Richthofen\'s Skies

It's not going to be anything close to the scope of KOE's coverage, but..............

#1391734 - 07/09/04 01:34 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Well, I'm still standing by...

Not like I can do much else... \:\(


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#1391735 - 07/09/04 02:41 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Quote:
Originally posted by FlyXwire:
Well the WWI mod for Targetware is coming along:

Richthofen\'s Skies

It's not going to be anything close to the scope of KOE's coverage, but..............
True, but it will be pay to play. And with no single player campaign, which it seems that many people want....


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#1391736 - 07/09/04 03:43 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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The three best things in life are a good landing, a good orgasm, and a good bowel movement.

(always lookin' for those cheap thrills, huh Ironhand)

\:D \:D \:D

#1391737 - 07/09/04 04:35 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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I've stayed away from pay to play thus far. I just can't believe in a concept where I have to buy a game, and then buy it again every month.

However, Targetware is initially free so its sort of different. Perhaps I'll give it a try online for a month, maybe. I just hate subscribing to things on a monthly basis, magazines, newspapers, CD clubs, online games, women. Guess I have a commitment problem lol :p


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#1391738 - 07/09/04 09:09 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Fly \:D \:D \:D

Black: It isn't ready for d/l yet.

I don't like PTP either. It does have its supporters, and they enjoy it. But it is not for me. I looked at WW2OL, but when I read of the massive patch needed just to get online, I said screw it. To say nothing of the fact it could take you an hour to get to the battle, only to die. Not something to waste my time and money on. Don't even see it in stores anymore.

Take the pessimistic view. KOE is not going to happen. Why take that view?

1: If I am right, I have that satisfaction.
2: If wrong, I will be pleasently surprised.

It is win/win!!!

Oh and Blacksheep 2, it isn't called a commitment problem, it is keeping your options open.


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#1391739 - 07/09/04 11:47 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ironhand:
Oh and Blacksheep 2, it isn't called a commitment problem, it is keeping your options open.
LOL, I like that better ;\)


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#1391740 - 07/10/04 12:27 AM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Ok I confess....the reason I first said that we should work on something else and forget about
KOE was just a bluff ploy in hopes they would read that and give a sign of life so we would stay on track with them :rolleyes: ..silly....I know but desperate times require desperate measures ;\)


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#1391741 - 07/10/04 05:22 AM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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I still like that mass e mail tactic someone mentioned in another post. Hey it doesn't even have to happen in one day. Everyone here who has not written to Aspect, just send an e mail asking what the status of KOE is because you are eager to play it. It doesn't have to be any more elaborate then that, but you can add more as I did. Perhaps if they get 30 - 40 - 50 e mails they will give one of us a reply or make an announcement as to whether this sim is still in production or cancelled.


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#1391742 - 07/10/04 10:13 AM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Game: Knights Over Europe

Released: Scheduled for Summer 2004
Game Type: 3D Simulation

Developer: Aspect Simulations

Publisher: Unknown - To Be Announced

Homepages: http://www.aspectsimulations.com/ Prod_KOE.htm

FAQs: none known

Requires: Windows (with DirectX), Direct3D

Supports:

Multiplay: None (!!!)

Keywords: World War I, flight-sim

Description: Knights Over Europe brings the dawn of aerial combat up-to-date with leading edge graphics, high fidelity flight models and precision damage modeling. Dozens of highly detailed aircraft with historically accurate markings will set the stage for an experience that will attract both hard-core flightsim fans and novices alike.
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Producent: Aspect Simulations
kategoria: symulatory / lotnicze

data premiery: listopad 2004

tryb gry: single / multiplayer (phew...)
tryb multiplayer: LAN / Internet


NOVINKY 5.7. 2004 14:56:35 (note date)


Aspect Simulations: Knights Over Europe...

Jednou ze spolecností, která to s leteckou simulací myslí velmi vážne je Aspect Simulations z Denveru. Hlavní znaky vývojárské vetve této firmy smerují k realite a to jak v prístupu k simulaci matematicko-fyzikálních aspektu, tak také v prímé konfrontaci s vizuální stránkou veci. Faktem je, že originalita a naprosto dokonalé zkušenosti hlavních vývojáru, by mohly na pole letecké simulace vnést velmi inovativní a kvalitní produkty. Mezi hlavní vývojáre spolecnosti patrí rada programátoru, kterí meli co docinení s tituly: Falcon, Red Baron II, Aces of the Deep. Pro tento rok by mela spolecnost vydat titul Knights Over Europe zamerující se výhradne na vzdušný boj I. svetové války se zohlednením všech autentických a stežejních prvku. Samozrejme, že práve schopnost ovládnout nestabilní „hadráky“ v koordinovaném letu v prímém vzdušném souboji, se zdá být necím, co na trhu letecké simulace dnes nepochybne chybí. Práve simulace vzdušného boje z období, kdy reálná aviatika znamenala predevším schopnost pilotáže, by se mela stát hlavním a zároven nosným produktem spolecnosti Aspect Simulations v nejbližších mesících. Jisté je, že vzhledem k dosahovaným rychlostem tehdejších letounu, by se Knights Over Europe mohly stát též produktem s prevratným grafickým prostredím, nebot FPS by zustávalo vzhledem k nenárocné animaci stále vysoce nad prumerem a tak by bylo možné zamerit se na mnoho grafických detailu. Krome komercní desktopové simulace pro širokou verejnost spolecnost úzce spolupracuje též se složkami americké armády za úcelem prípravy nekolika projektu smerovaných prímo pro úcely interního výcviku prostrednictvím vizuální simulace. Podrobnosti o titulu Knights Over Europe bychom prinesli v aktuálním case, v dobe, kdy titul vstoupí na trh. Informace mužete prubežne též cerpat prímo na: http://www.aspectsimulations.com . (anyone here read czech lol)

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Knights Over Europe is currently scheduled for release in the second quarter of 2004. We'll bring you more information on the game as soon as it becomes available. (lol yeah...)

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Aspect Simulations announces the development of their World War I combat flight simulation,
KNIGHTS OVER EUROPE. Brought to you by a team whose collective experience includes Red Baron II, the Falcon 3 series, the Close Combat series and Fly II, KNIGHTS OVER EUROPE brings the dawn of aerial combat up-to-date with leading edge graphics, high fidelity flight models and precision damage modeling. Dozens of highly detailed aircraft with historically accurate markings will set the stage for an experience that will attract both hard-core flightsim fans and novices alike.

KNIGHTS OVER EUROPE is currently scheduled for release in the second quarter of 2004.

Expect more news and announcements about this exciting new product in the coming months.
(as if...)

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April, 2003 - Knights over Europe

Aspect Simulations recently announced their WWI based combat flight simulator Knights Over
Europe to the gaming press, including showing a demo version at E3 (Electronic Entertainment Expo). In order to meet the deadlines of having the demo ready by E3, Aspect Simulations realized the need to get quality terrain images into the game as quickly as possible.

Due to our experience in environmental and terrain visualization, we were asked to provide placeholder terrain textures that could be shown in the demo and screen shots until the actual terrain textures were in place within the game. The results went over quite well at the show and with the press, and we look forward to seeing the direction this promising title takes as development progresses.

but nothing at this year's E3... can't be good
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Game Title: Knights Over Europe
Publisher: Aspect Simulations
Release Date: 11-01-2004 (!!! call me a pessimist, but...)
Genre: Flight Sim
ESRB Rating: Not Rated

* * *

Alas, we can just spread our arms and live in hope...



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#1391743 - 07/10/04 01:37 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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I don't think I could handle KOE never being released!!! \:\(

[img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TADZAhEY0...479990242028681[/img]

Stop it guys, cause you're really gettin' me upset now!!! \:\(

#1391744 - 07/10/04 02:43 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Well I cant imagine anyone who could make a beeter WW1 flight sim then Oleg Mattox (IL2 fame)
but he says he isnt into WW1..(sigh)...and Wings with Wires seems to have run outta gas or something... \:\( ..If the Fighter Squadron wizards
could fix the WW1 birds fm's then that could be the
next premier WW1 sim. And all the planes are already made!! plus ww1 tanks and stuff..its just the FM's and maybe some other little things but its basically done. of theirs stil Red Baron :rolleyes:


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#1391745 - 07/10/04 06:32 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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OK I sent an Email to Aspect, everyone else should too.

If only I could program, nind you I can paint a bit so anyone wants to start our own WW1 flight sim co-developement count me in \:D


Regards,

Polovski,
OBD Software, developers of epic, immersive flight sims;
Wings Over Flanders Fields and Wings Over The Reich
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#1391746 - 07/10/04 07:39 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Daze, as soon as VDU impliments rotary gyro torque in the next Patch, the FMs will be much improved. \:D Also, many many other new improvements and revisions for Plane Pack 4!!

Also lets not forget Richthofen's Skies... I know there's no real single player campaign or series of missions to speak of, but the detail and FM and DM modeling should be fantastic!

I have faith in the Wings with Wires and Aspect teams, you guys should show some support. I realize that Aspect is a hell of a lot farther along in completion than Wings with Wires, but I'm keeping the faith. \:\)


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#1391747 - 07/10/04 09:58 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Don't get me wrong Argon..it not as much lack of faith as it is lack of pateince lol PP4??????
for sdoe? sorry but I thought you gave up on it!!
SOO glad to hear your still doing your magic on sdoe...i'm an old timer at that game..gee VDU is workin on it still also!! ok I feel better now \:\)
if VDU can make the FM's as good or better than
red baron..we may not need koe at all :p


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#1391748 - 07/10/04 10:17 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Given up on PP4?!?!?! LOL ARE YOU CRAZY?!?!?! :p No no no mate, FAAAR from... PP4 is well underway. \:D Good to see you at OPS too!


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#1391749 - 07/10/04 11:25 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Daze, the people I know over at SDOE will never give up on that game ever, whether its WWI or WWII. There are lulls, and breif plateu's but in order for work to ever stop on that sim I think either we'll all have get so old we can't see anymore, or the world wil have to end lol \:\)


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#1391750 - 07/10/04 11:30 PM Re: *whistles in the empty room*  
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Very glad to hear that \:\)


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