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#1390944 - 03/31/04 12:46 AM And the loser is........!!  
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Let's Review:

VonHelton has been unable to prove anything he has stated thus far on this forum

...Check

VonHelton is thus hated or at least annoyes almost every memeber here

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VonHelton insists that all documented and written proof against his German rotory theory is Allied propoganda

...Check

......YOU WERE RIGHT! VONHELTON HAS PROVED HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT 80% OF THE TIME! HE HAS RUINED ANY CHANCE THIS FORUM HAD IN BEING POLITE AND REASONABLE.

Let's see......What's the word I'm looking for? oh yes, "poking-fun" fits perfectly.

\:D


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#1390945 - 03/31/04 12:59 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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I have to wonder just how you, Fly, and Bink are to blame for what the game has or does not have when it is still under developement.

If the game is the way it is because of you guys, you have my respect. It is a victory of historical facts supported as best as possible by sources over unsupported bellowings.

To you gentleman, and I include Droops, Pat, and Sunscream in that, I extend my thanks.

We will get a quality sim.


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#1390946 - 03/31/04 01:28 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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What about us "rubberneckers"?

#1390947 - 03/31/04 01:29 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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Awwwww shucks.

Come on over Ironhand, time for a group hug! \:D

#1390948 - 03/31/04 01:32 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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C'mon Argon, I kinda like VonHelton. He reminds
me of Jerry. \:D

#1390949 - 03/31/04 01:36 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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Um.......no rubbers are allowed! ;\)

Hey, we're all going to enjoy the heck out of KOE when it finally graces our hard drives later this year!

Of course all credit goes to Aspect Simulations completely.......us bystanders have just been along for the ride! \:\)

#1390950 - 03/31/04 01:38 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Smokey:
C'mon Argon, I kinda like VonHelton. He reminds
me of Jerry. \:D
ROFLMAO!!! Even Jerry has more common sense than this guy. ;\) :p


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#1390951 - 03/31/04 01:39 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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C'mon Smokey, you shouldn't insult Jerry like that! \:D

#1390952 - 03/31/04 01:47 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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From an interested observer: a troll is a troll, and I see more than one on this forum.... :rolleyes:

#1390953 - 03/31/04 01:48 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jagdpanzer:
From an interested observer: a troll is a troll, and I see more than one on this forum.... :rolleyes:
While that is true, I be no troll. A bit of a spammer now, yes. (This however is to counter VonHelton and is in no way to be taken seriously. FlyXwire, myself and Ironhand are all apart of the anti-VonHelton group) I've been here since the begining of this forum, and even got with Aspect and SimHQ to create this here for us.


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#1390954 - 03/31/04 02:17 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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I don't see any trolling except by one. For example, one person claims, and continues to claim, that the Fokker D.V is a fine aircraft. Better than anything that would be its contemporary.

Myself, Fly, and, heck, history itself proved otherwise. It was used mainly as a trainer. To prove us wrong, he points to a self made web page.

Said web page is full of quotes. But who said them?

One person is trolling of how the game will suck because it does not include all the uber German rotaries.

Myself, Argon, Fly, Droops et al have shown that they were not uber. In fact they were not a significant part of the GAS. The inlines were.

No matter how many sources we come up with, we are called liars, idiots, whatever. Because we are wrong on everything from how the game could evolve to how many SSW D models were built.

And all by a guy who has yet to post any proof of anything he has stated.

We have no problem if you want to dispute any of the sources quoted. many of the sources do not agree on many things.

But you can't expect people to accept an opinion as fact.


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#1390955 - 03/31/04 02:24 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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How about the DVa?


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#1390956 - 03/31/04 04:11 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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Quote:
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How about the DVa?
Neal
Not much better than the Alb D.V from what I read.


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#1390957 - 03/31/04 11:47 AM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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Well, Max Gunz preferred that one in RB. ;\)
Not as uber as the DIII or DVII but still effective.


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#1390958 - 03/31/04 02:57 PM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jagdpanzer:
From an interested observer: a troll is a troll, and I see more than one on this forum.... :rolleyes:
It's natural to think that, but VonHelton's comments in the "winner is......" thread just went way too far.

Callin' folks idiots for not joining him in verbally harrassing the game company just don't get it.

Take a look at http://www.pt-boats.net/PT_web/index1_e.htm , the PT-Boat sim page coming up from Akella. Go to the Forum. There's a guy there who's tried as hard as anybody reasonably can to get Akella to include the Pacific in that sim.

Makes sense to me. A PT-Boat sim without the Pacific?

Akella very politely said "no". "Maybe later in an add-on, but right now we've got our plates full, so the answer's no."

Heck, I've asked for clarification as to which Elco they're going to do, asking for a 77' and an 80', and I haven't heard back from them yet.

And if I don't, that's fine. We can't get them to implement a major change like including the Pacific, me MIGHT get them to include an extra Elco. And if we don't, THAT'S FINE TOO. I'm happy just to get the sim!

Moral of the story? Want to ask for developers to add something to a project they're working on? Sure! Just don't expect that they're must take your suggestion. And if they don't, it's because it doesn't fit the way they're putting their project together.

But for crying out loud, don't abuse your peers just because they didn't add their voices to yours!


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#1390959 - 03/31/04 03:10 PM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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Callin' folks idiots for not joining him in verbally harrassing the game company just don't get it.
Not just that, but for not accepting anything he says as gospel.


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#1390960 - 03/31/04 10:29 PM Re: And the loser is........!!  
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From the first page of the infamous Relax ..... thread:

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The only person who has been making "prophesy" on this forum is quoted above!

The only person who has claimed KOE is doomed to "be only a game, and not a sim", is quoted above!

The only person who has no confidence that Aspect can create the next benchmark WWI sim without his assitance, is quoted above!

VH has been making "straw man" arguments from the very beginning here. Arguments and demands that will always remain unattainable, because they are meant to be so! Arguments that therefore will never be fullfilled because no simulation can ever duplicate reality........

I find this attempt to denegrate Aspect's work most apalling.......and before any of us have even an inkling of what KOE will be when it's finally completed!

No one is going to force any of us to buy KOE when it's released!

If you've have no confidence from the beginning that Aspect can make a good WWI sim, then go out and make your own!

In the meantime leave the heavy lifting to the real experts............that's where I'll be putting my money!!!
So now we come full circle!

A community to thrive must have some common and mutually beneficial goal. There must also be some collective will that respects the contributions that each member can bring to the whole.

This forum does not exist for the will of but one individual, but to demonstrate the will and wisdom of the many.

Fortunately, Aspect will design their sim for us, despite ourselves..........and thank goodness for that!


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