No, it's not! MvR made the same arguement I'm making now!!

......The difference is, he GOT his rotary aircraft, and I won't!

What a load of horse manuer.......

10 aircraft, a patch of grass, & a linear campaign (if a campaign at all) does not conjure up the word "excellent" in my mind.

......And while we're on the subject, 15 + 35 = 50, not 100, as certain people keep bringing up!

I asked for 15 aircraft......German rotary aircraft. Aircraft that appeared at key times, and kept the germans viable in the air.

So, Von.H if there are 60 times more WWII players than WWI players, does that mean you're willing to pay 60 times more for the product? The development costs don't go down because there's a smaller audience, and adding further aircraft significantly increases the cost of development - models, research and programming don't come free in the flight sim industry, I'm afraid.

It's an Allied conspiracy going back to the days of Dogfight by American Heritage.

Or Richtofen's War by Avalon Hill.

No, my point was that sequels (in their mind) may not be cost effective!

If we get a patch, we should be lucky.

Ergo, we should insist on the game being feature packed from the begining.

You didn't go back far enough.......Try 1919, and you'll be on target.

You're not making much sense, VonH.

You're saying "limited market! Spend more money on this market where your profit margins are cut fine, rather than working on an addon where you can sell it for more money on top!"

Hate to say it, VonH, but developers are fundamentally doing this as a source of income. There's certainly an element of pride involved, but as Aspect is a business and has to be run as such, it suggests to me that it's a waste to be spending money on aircraft that will have a very limited appeal, and could never possibly increase sales of the sim sufficiently to even cover the cost of adding them.

If it sells well, then the more obscure aircraft may be added.

If it doesn't, then it will not matter what is or is not in.

Ja, and if wie hat onlie hat dem damn Fokkers ober head, wir vot hat von dat damn war!!!

And now the ugly facts......again, and from the new and excellent book September Evening, The Life And Final Combat Of The German World War One Ace Werner Voss by Barry Diggens:

Anthony Fokker has been called many things, ranging from genius to charlatan, but if nothing else he was an egotist who craved attention and praise at every turn. He had not produced a winner since the days of his famous E-type monoplanes that earned their keep during the long winter of 1915-16, and by now he was decidedly downhearted. Although significant numbers of his later D-type biplanes were in service towards the end of 1916 and early 1917, they were unable to match the performance of the Albatros and Halberstadt variants introduced about the same time, moreover there was something of a question mark on their reliability, consequently orders for Fokker aircraft had dropped off dramatically. The Flying Dutchman, as he liked to be known, was bitterly disappointed and was now most anxious to please the Inspektion der Fliegertruppen (the Inspectorate of Military Aviation, commonly abbreviated to Idflieg), charged with evaluating his new design. He knew his company's future in aircraft production was in the balance - one more failure could end his days as a manufacturer.

Facts, facts, facts!!!

Yes, bring on those Fokkers, and the reality conspiracy will make so much fodder of them!

To quote the movie The Blue Max:

Next time you must have witnesses!

VH is off gathering his ammo, I can sense it! He will be back filling the post with words that will riddle holes in us all!

I came across this...


In late 1915-early 1916, the German air force held a significant advantage over the Allies with its Fokker Eindecker monoplane.However, by the summer of 1916, the Fokker E.III was becoming outdated, and surpased by more advanced Allied fighters of the time.
At this time, Fokker released the 120hp engined D.I biplane, but it proved to be a mediocre aircraft, and only 25 of the type were built.

In an effort to rectify the situation, Fokker re-equipped the aircraft with a 160hp Mercedes engine, slightly modified the aircraft, and released it as the D.IV. While this provided a performance boost, the aircraft still did not have the maneuverability desired of a fighter, and as the newer Albatros D fighters became available, the Fokker D.I/IVs were eventually relegated to training duties.

A German staff officer at the time, had this to say about the Fokker D.IV:

What can I say about yet another variation in this struggling line of Fokker biplanes. The D-IV, equipped with a 160 h.p. Mercedes engine, offers little improvement. The design features a hexagonal-sectioned fuselage and balanced ailerons fitted to the top of the plane. Although the Feldfliegerabteilungen is using them for escort duty, I am afraid these Fokkers are more frequently finding themselves withdrawn from the front and reassigned to training schools.
Adolph Godshall
WWW Staff
October 1916

Yeah, he actually does kinda grow on ya..........like fungus!

I hope he doesn't take this all too seriously, nor does anyone else.......(like any of this really makes any difference to Aspect anyway).

Oh Ironhand, why would you want to ruin everything and confuse the issue with the facts again! :rolleyes:

Good excerpt BTW.

Fokker's "D" Type aircraft are the roteries. Thank you ever so much for showing they were in "significant numbers".

You & your buddies get on these boards & ruin my chance at getting a worthy successor to RB, and you have the unmittigated gall to make a joke of it?!

Kiss my ass!

No, I never said spend more money. The 3D moddeler is going to be paid, regardless. Instead of worrying if the number of rivets on the boiler plate is 20 or 35, instead use that time to make more aircraft!!

So what you're saying is quantity over quality then? Also, 3d modelling is a small part of the work required to add another aircraft. There's a lot of research and programming involved in it too.

Also, VonHelton - FlyXWire is right in at least one respect. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference to Aspect what's discussed now. For a Q4 release, I'd guess the software has to be more or less together by August, and the whole plan for the development from now until then will be mapped out. Adding more aircraft throws the whole thing off, so it ain't going to happen, pal.

WOW! The Wings with Wires Staff was around in 1916?



Those snippets are STORIES, Ironhand. And 9 times out of 10, they rarely have the whole truth in them.